V-Twin
On another thread, Tom on our forum mentioned that he wants better performing tyres. I remember speaking with Billy from Sydney dealership (now back in QLD) and he implied Amercian Elites are not 'the best' performance tyres.

The thing is, I have done about 25,000 kms on 2 x Vintages and I am happy with stock Dunlop American Elite (White Wall) tyres. So, if this topic did not come up, when the time comes, I would have bought the same set of tyres.

To those who are familiar with cruiser performance tyres... what do you recommend? And in which area can I expect improvement over the Elite?

Is it wet weather performance? Braking? Cornering?

I want to get at least 20,000kms from a set of tyres (I normally change at about 25% worn). I once had a super performance tyres on my Triumph Speed Triple and they lasted 3,000kms - that was ridiculous!

So, as long as they last a reasonable amount, I am happy to consider another brand/model tyres.

Any suggestions?
Melbourne, Victoria
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red Scout jj
I only use Metzeler marathon and I get 18000km one time I even done 22000 on front tyre but I was pushing my luck that time .

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V-Twin
red Scout jj wrote:
I only use Metzeler marathon and I get 18000km one time I even done 22000 on front tyre but I was pushing my luck that time .


Hey JJ,

...but Metzeler Marathon better than Elites? In what way that you have noticed?
Melbourne, Victoria
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Harro
Metzeler come with white walls?
Cheers,
Harro

Red 2014 Vintage, stage 2.
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red Scout jj
From my personal experience marathon last 3-5 k longer than Elites others may disagree. but I have done 11000 with Kando tires on my Scout and will do another 5-6 for sure but on wet road Metzler is better that is why my next Scout tyres will be Metzler .
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V-Twin
red Scout jj wrote:
From my personal experience marathon last 3-5 k longer than Elites others may disagree. but I have done 11000 with Kando tires on my Scout and will do another 5-6 for sure but on wet road Metzler is better that is why my next Scout tyres will be Metzler .


Oh got ya! This thread is for big Chiefs. Yes, I have heard Kanda scares the living day lights out of you in wet!! [eek]
Melbourne, Victoria
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Tom McCarthy
i found the elites at speed (100ks) in the wet seem to be a little skittish and into the corners in wet conditions..anyone maybe able recommended a good replacement tyre for a darkhorse 
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Harro
Harro wrote:
Metzeler come with white walls?


Anybody????
Cheers,
Harro

Red 2014 Vintage, stage 2.
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V-Twin
Harro wrote:


Anybody????
It appears Metzeler ME880 & ME888 do come in white walls. Not sure if these models have our size.

Update: ME880 appears to be discontinued.  It does NOT appear on Metzeler.com website.
Melbourne, Victoria
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Harro
V-Twin wrote:
It appears Metzeler ME880 & ME888 do come in white walls. Not sure if these models have our size.


Cheers for that V-Twin.  Appreciated will look further into it when I get a bit of time.
Cheers,
Harro

Red 2014 Vintage, stage 2.
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Harro
V-Twin wrote:
It appears Metzeler ME880 & ME888 do come in white walls. Not sure if these models have our size.

Update: ME880 appears to be discontinued.  It does NOT appear on Metzeler.com website.


V-Twin appears they do have our sizes if you look at the drop down menu for all sizes in their on-line catalogue.  Link below.  Don't know where in Aust. you'd buy them though?


http://www.metzeler.com/site/us/products/tyres-catalogue/New_ME_888_WhiteWall.html
Cheers,
Harro

Red 2014 Vintage, stage 2.
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V-Twin
According to the Revzilla.com, Metzeler tyres were well regarded.  I cannot say if they are better than American Elite III as yet.  

Recently revised, Metzeler ME888 White Wall tyres are available in:
  • 130/90 - 16 67H TL White Wall (front)
  • 180/65 - 16 81H Reinf TL White Wall (rear)
67H and 81H are the same rating as the OEM American Elite III tyres.

For more information on these tyres, see Metzeler Website.

Metzeler-ME-888-Whitewall-tyres.png 


By comparison, thread on Dunlop American Elite looks like this.  I do like the tread pattern on Dunlop better.  It might be more effective in getting rid of the water and spit 'em out sideways.  No, I didn't do a lab test.  It was just 'by looking' so I could be way off.  [smile]

Dunlop-American-Elite-2nd-generation.jpg 
It is worth noting that Dunlop USA has announced couple of months ago that they have revised their American Elite III tyres so that discolouration (ie. browning) that plagued our tyres for the past 2+ years is over.  The trick is to make sure we buy the 'fresh' stock, instead of the old stock.


User Reviews

According to Revzilla.com, 22 Reviews of American Elite received 4.5 stars (out of 5).  
http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dunlop-american-elite-2nd-generation-harley-davidson-tires

While Metzler ME888 shows 32 Reviews and received 5 stars (out of 5).  It is worth noting that these reviews appears to be for the OLD ME888 (note the tread pattern difference).
http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/metzeler-me888-marathon-ultra-tires


Prices

According to one of the Aussie online motorcycle tyre store, these are the prices:
  • Dunlop American Elite White Wall 130/90 B16 (front) - $226
  • Dunlop American Elite White Wall 180/65 HB16 (rear) - $283
  • $509 for Dunlop set plus fitting
  • Metzeler Marathon ME888 130/90H16 (Unsure if White Wall) - $209
  • Metzeler Marathon ME888 180/65HB16 (Unsure if White Wall) - $359
  • $568 for Metzeler set plus
So, prices are not a real factor.


So, I guess we just need some feedback from riders in Australia & New Zealand to try them out.
Melbourne, Victoria
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Tom McCarthy
V-Twin wrote:
It appears Metzeler ME880 & ME888 do come in white walls. Not sure if these models have our size.

Update: ME880 appears to be discontinued.  It does NOT appear on Metzeler.com website.


i had metzelers me 88s on my road king white walls .....then tried the shimco beautiful sticky tyre from the start ..but wears quick on a heavy bike ..more suited to scout -sportsers,heritage etc etc    beats the standard D402 s anyday 
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Harro
V-Twin wrote:
According to the Revzilla.com, Metzeler tyres were well regarded.  I cannot say if they are better than American Elite III as yet.  

User Reviews

According to Revzilla.com, 22 Reviews of American Elite received 4.5 stars (out of 5).  
http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dunlop-american-elite-2nd-generation-harley-davidson-tires

While Metzler ME888 shows 32 Reviews and received 5 stars (out of 5).  It is worth noting that these reviews appears to be for the OLD ME888 (note the tread pattern difference).
http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/metzeler-me888-marathon-ultra-tires


Prices

According to one of the Aussie online motorcycle tyre store, these are the prices:
  • Dunlop American Elite White Wall 130/90 B16 (front) - $226
  • Dunlop American Elite White Wall 180/65 HB16 (rear) - $283
  • $509 for Dunlop set plus fitting
  • Metzeler Marathon ME888 130/90H16 (Unsure if White Wall) - $209
  • Metzeler Marathon ME888 180/65HB16 (Unsure if White Wall) - $359
  • $568 for Metzeler set plus
So, prices are not a real factor.


So, I guess we just need some feedback from riders in Australia & New Zealand to try them out.


Thanks V-Twin.  Very informative, above & beyond the call of duty.  [smile]
Cheers,
Harro

Red 2014 Vintage, stage 2.
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V-Twin
Harro wrote:


Thanks V-Twin.  Very informative, above & beyond the call of duty.  [smile]


It was not entirely selfless... I will eventually need new tyres myself and I'm happy to consider these.
Melbourne, Victoria
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V-Twin
Tom McCarthy wrote:
tried the shimco beautiful sticky tyre from the start ..but wears quick on a heavy bike ..more suited to scout...


Thanks Tom, do you recall the model name of Shinko? Was it 777? According to Revzilla, it is rated 4.5 stars (out of 5) from 24 reviewers. BUT I think the reason is more to do with 'Value for Money' factor, rather then outright performance. Reviewers have said they have 'soft centre', 'probably not suitable for touring'... So, others seem to echo your thoughts...

http://www.revzilla.com/product/shinko-777-white-wall-cruiser-tires

Melbourne, Victoria
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Harro
V-Twin wrote:
It was not entirely selfless... I will eventually need new tyres myself and I'm happy to consider these.


Fair call!  LOL  [biggrin]

Yeah they sound OK but I did notice a couple of complaints re handling in the wet on one US forum (can't remember which one - just had a fleeting glance) but then again there were plenty of positives so I guess you can't keep all the people happy all of the time.
Cheers,
Harro

Red 2014 Vintage, stage 2.
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V-Twin
Harro wrote:
a couple of complaints re handling in the wet...


Unless the review you read was recent... ME888 was recently revised. I wish they call the new tyres ME889 or ME888v2 or something but...
Melbourne, Victoria
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Stephen Webb
Don't feel as confident with the standard tyres on the Roadmaster.
Had a Road King previously with Metzelers, handled well in wet and dry and I was pleased with their performance.
Although the Roadmaster handles better, I feel it will be better with Metzelers.
Spider
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V-Twin
Stephen Webb wrote:
Don't feel as confident with the standard tyres on the Roadmaster.
Had a Road King previously with Metzelers, handled well in wet and dry and I was pleased with their performance.


Firstly, welcome to the forum Stephen. It will be great to see you post in 'New Member Intro' section and tell us a bit about yourself mate!

Re: Metzeler - Well, this is a great review for Metzeler. Do you recall which model Metz you had on your Road King? Was it ME880?
Melbourne, Victoria
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gazman
Happy with the stock Chieftain tyres, onto my second set got 22,000 plus from first set could have got more.
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BenDRhodes
I got 16000kms out of the first set of tyres on my Vintage.   I replaced them with American Elites.   

My previous experience was with my Honda VT 750 and VTX1300.    The best I did on those was with Metzlers going 12,000 km on the VTX.   

I think a lot is to do with the surface you ride on and how hard you ride.   For me, I ride 1.5 km per day on my gravel drive.   I think this tends to chop out my tyres.   I haven't figured out whether cold tyres on gravel (leaving in the morning) or warm tyres on gravel (arriving home) is the cause of this.

I try to change tyres before winter sets in so they are worn in - not worn out - before the roads get wet and icy.
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V-Twin wrote:
Thanks Tom, do you recall the model name of Shinko? Was it 777? According to Revzilla, it is rated 4.5 stars (out of 5) from 24 reviewers. BUT I think the reason is more to do with 'Value for Money' factor, rather then outright performance. Reviewers have said they have 'soft centre', 'probably not suitable for touring'... So, others seem to echo your thoughts... http://www.revzilla.com/product/shinko-777-white-wall-cruiser-tires



yes mate on the king shinko 777 s sticky from day one ..almost thought i was on a sports bike ..scraping corners all sorts of fun....
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Harro
V-Twin wrote:
Unless the review you read was recent... ME888 was recently revised. I wish they call the new tyres ME889 or ME888v2 or something but...


Probably right on that note mate.  Like I said just had a quick flick through looking for anything on the brand and probably got the two (old & revised) mixed up.
Cheers,
Harro

Red 2014 Vintage, stage 2.
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V-Twin
G'day Ben,

Welcome to the forum! When you get a chance, pop in to 'New Member Intro' and tell us bit about yourself mate.

BenDRhodes wrote:
I got 16000kms out of the first set of tyres on my Vintage. I replaced them with American Elites.

Am I missing something here? Doesn't Vintage come from the factory with American Elites? If so, am I to assume you like them enough to buy them again?

BenDRhodes wrote:

The best I did on those was with Metzlers going 12,000 km on the VTX.

Which model Metzeler tyres mate?

Can't comment about tyre wear and gravel. I try to avoid unsealed road on heavy V-Twin whenever I can. It is not so much the riding on dirt... it is when I have to do a 3-point U-Turn to turn around... I just need a better, more grippy boots but I always get a little nervous.
Melbourne, Victoria
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