V-Twin
Hey all,

It is NOT a 'performance' mod but here goes...  no doubt the topic of oil is controversial but why not have a discussion anyway.

We all know Thunder Stroke 111 (TS111) are not the world's quietest engines.  Not only that, no two sound the same as Polaris has gifted each with their own 'personalities'.  Especially after my Stage 2 Cams (S2C), my TS111 is running much noisier.

I have read on the USA forum, others have gotten great results from the following two products so I thought I will ask:
I know you can't just use any synthetic motorcycle oil in our bikes due to some having friction modifiers that are incompatible with wet-clutches.

Also, I do recall reading somewhere that Indian demands engine oil with certain specifications, not just the right viscosity... which is written in a form of 'lots of letters and numbers' I don't understand.

Any how, above two oil seems to meet all the criteria... my question is, has anyone in AU/NZ tried either of these?  I am leaning little more towards Amsoil 20w40 at the moment.

Of course warranty is another concern.  I guess if anyone has that tech spec letters/numbers, please post here.  If Amsoil does meet all the specs, there should be no issues with warranty.


Melbourne, Victoria
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DarkScout
You must of been looking through my workshop roller door, as I was thinking about the same thing as I'm due for an oil change very soon, like 55k's have the kit however not driving to Melbourne just to buy oil.
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V-Twin
I came across an interesting video.  It explains oil rating (eg. 10w30) and the difference between the mineral and synthetic engine oil and its impact on oil rating.

Melbourne, Victoria
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andrew
is the Indian oil synthetic?
located:  Gold Coast
Darkhorse, stage 2
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Robbo
I have found that having on open face helmet means that I can't hear to many noises. Especially as 27 years of open faced, helmet, straight through pipes on my shovel and rock concerts have affected my hearing.
Sorry to hijack the thread but I have decided that ignorance is bliss.
2017 Dark Horse  - Stage 2, Rush Pipes

Location - Perth, Western Australia
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Frumpy
Where would we be without "Youtube" and "Google" ?
Very interesting video. I do remember though many years ago draining oil from an old Holden that had not been changed in years and it drained out with viscosity of water. There's probably a good explanation for it, I'm sure.

I am now older and a bit wiser now and I do change my oil regularly.
2014 Red Chief Classic Stage 1 Pipes and AC
2017 Victory Octane
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V-Twin
andrew wrote:
is the Indian oil synthetic?


According to Indian website, Indian 20w40 engine oil for Chief is 'Semi-Synthetic'.

http://www.indianmotorcycle.com/en-au/shop/maintenance/20w40-engine-oil--1-qt/pid-2880012
Melbourne, Victoria
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V-Twin
Robbo wrote:
I have decided that ignorance is bliss.


It sure is! No one should 'listen out' for any 'odd' noise from their Thunder Stroke... Just enjoy the ride. Once you hear the noise (whatever the cause), you will hear it every time thereafter.
Melbourne, Victoria
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V-Twin
Frumpy wrote:

draining oil from an old Holden that had not been changed in years and it drained out with viscosity of water.


Sounds like that old oil lost all of its viscosity. I'm impressed your Holden didn't cease up.
Melbourne, Victoria
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DrZ
I have discussed the use of Redline, Amsoil, and the Indian Blend.  All believe their oil is the best.  A few say they have changed to Redline or Amsoil and have experienced clutch slippage but for every one that says that....there are greater numbers who says they have no issues.  Prior to the Run for the Wall this year in May, I will be changing to Amsoil and will report anything I find.
Oh...and those who have changed to pure synthetic says there is no difference in sound or heat from the motor.
Bike History
2015 Indian Roadmaster , 2014 Indian Chieftain, 2005 Honda Goldwing GL1800, 1999 HD Road King Classic, 1994 HD Fatboy, 1986 HD  Heritage Softail, 1978 HD ElectraGlide, 1972 HD SuperGlide, 1969 HD XLCH Sportster, 1945 HD WLA,  1963 Honda 305 Dream.
USMC 1969 - 1978
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DrZ
V-Twin wrote:
Hey DrZ, if you think Amsoil is worthwhile oil and you can recommend it, maybe you would like to do a review post dedicated to that oil?


Over the years, I have discovered that engine oil is a very personal selection.  For each person stating that this brand or that is better, you will find an equal number who states it is terrible.  I can only state the following.  I have used Amsoil for over 30 years in every bike owned during those years.  I find an oil that is the proper weight and specs that is required for my ride and try it.  If it is good, I stick to it.  Polaris/Indian, as does HD, states you should only use the company branded oils.  I read their propaganda and promptly ignore it.  I can also state that each oil company puts out their propaganda as well.  To me, Amsoil puts out some of the best propaganda.  I have torn down multiple HD engines in which I have used Amsoil in and have found lower amount of cylinder scaring then experienced when using other oils.  My testimonial?  It works for me and have experienced no clutch slippage with lower engine noise.  I tend to run my Amsoil the standard oil mileage change plus 50%.  My suggestion to you?  Find an oil you are happy with and use it.


20W-40 Synthetic V-Twin Motorcycle Oil Product Image
Bike History
2015 Indian Roadmaster , 2014 Indian Chieftain, 2005 Honda Goldwing GL1800, 1999 HD Road King Classic, 1994 HD Fatboy, 1986 HD  Heritage Softail, 1978 HD ElectraGlide, 1972 HD SuperGlide, 1969 HD XLCH Sportster, 1945 HD WLA,  1963 Honda 305 Dream.
USMC 1969 - 1978
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V-Twin
Thanks for your review... I have moved it to this post.
Melbourne, Victoria
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DAVO
Do you change your oil at 4000km (the so called intermediate oil change the Sydney shop recommends) or change the oil at the recommended 8000km as per the bike manual, I use to change it at 4000km as per the shop but now I am changing it at the recommended 8000km intervals (40,000km on my Vintage) I use the Indian oil change kit
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DrZ
When using Indian blend oil, I followed the manual and changed every 7240 km but now using Amsoil, I will change about every 11000 km.  I will monitor the condition of the oil until I settle on a change schedule.
Bike History
2015 Indian Roadmaster , 2014 Indian Chieftain, 2005 Honda Goldwing GL1800, 1999 HD Road King Classic, 1994 HD Fatboy, 1986 HD  Heritage Softail, 1978 HD ElectraGlide, 1972 HD SuperGlide, 1969 HD XLCH Sportster, 1945 HD WLA,  1963 Honda 305 Dream.
USMC 1969 - 1978
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V-Twin
DAVO wrote:
Do you change your oil at 4000km (the so called intermediate oil change the Sydney shop recommends) or change the oil at the recommended 8000km as per the bike manual...
[eek] Sydney dealer recommends changing oil every 4,000kms!!??  
Melbourne, Victoria
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CraigB1960
I continued to use the Indian semi-sun 20W-40 at the 500 mile service than changed over to the Amsoil 20W40 at the 5000 mile.  I'm approaching the 10k service and plan to go to Redline 20w-50 simply because it is a good oil and I want a little higher viscosity due to the 110F (43C)+ heat here in Tucson, AZ in the summer.  My engine has always been quiet (at least to me compared to the Harley's I've owned in the past), so if it is a clanker...than I am a happy clanker owner. 

I notice a slight improvement in the shifting when I switched to Amsoil, but nothing to write home about.
2016 Indian Roadmaster
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Dogmanii
I've been using Amsoil 20W40. It was formulated specifically for Indian (TS111) and Victory.  Don't have to worry about extreme heat in the Pacific Northwest.
"Only bikers know why dogs like to drive fast and hang their head out the car window."
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CraigB1960
I did switch over to Redline 20W50 and have been riding with it for the last 2k miles.  This is the first time that I do not prefer the Redline.  Plan to switch back to Amsoil 20W40 very soon.   The bike does not shift was well as before, nothing else noticed.
2016 Indian Roadmaster
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V-Twin
CraigB1960 wrote:
I did switch over to Redline 20W50 and have been riding with it for the last 2k miles.  This is the first time that I do not prefer the Redline.  Plan to switch back to Amsoil 20W40 very soon.   The bike does not shift was well as before, nothing else noticed.
Interesting Craig.  Out of interest, have you taken your bike to the same workshop?

I can see another possibility, aside from oil.  First time with Amsoil, the workshop did a good job with clutch cable adjustment.  At the second service, Redline went in and workshop didn’t do a great job with clutch adjustment or cable stretched over time.  I am just trying to seek possible alternative reasons.  But failing all that all clutch is adjusted perfectly, it must be the oil.

Thanks for sharing what you found out.
Melbourne, Victoria
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CraigB1960
I agree with clutch adjustment will affect the shift performance.  Since I do my own maintenance on everything, I check and adjust my clutch fairly often, so I feel it is the thicker oil.

I've run Redline 20w50 and 20w60 in most of my bikes, but for my RM, it likes the Amsoil better.   I will know when I switch back.
2016 Indian Roadmaster
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V-Twin
CraigB1960 wrote:
I do my own maintenance on everything, I check and adjust my clutch fairly often, so I feel it is the thicker oil.
Do let us know when you switch back... since you are adjusting the cable yourself, only variable must be the oil (like you said).  That information would help others down the track by going directly to Amsoil and skipping Redline on Indian TS111s.  I would also be interested to know if you have ever tried Penrite V-Twin oil, either full synthetic or semi.  
Melbourne, Victoria
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Indian26
I run amsoil made for indian in my 2014 chief and no problems 12000 km run a little cooler
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RPM
CraigB1960 wrote:
I did switch over to Redline 20W50 and have been riding with it for the last 2k miles.  This is the first time that I do not prefer the Redline.  Plan to switch back to Amsoil 20W40 very soon.   The bike does not shift was well as before, nothing else noticed.


Last oil change I used Redline...did not notice any difference from Indian semisynthetic. 
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filthy
V-Twin wrote:


According to Indian website, Indian 20w40 engine oil for Chief is 'Semi-Synthetic'.

http://www.indianmotorcycle.com/en-au/shop/maintenance/20w40-engine-oil--1-qt/pid-2880012


fully sytnthetic may allow your clutch to slip  so semi synthetis its the way to go 
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V-Twin
filthy wrote:
fully sytnthetic may allow your clutch to slip...
This has not been my experience.  However, I do use semi-synthetic oil now and very happy with it. 

http://www.indianmotorcycleforum.com.au/post/motul-3000-plus-4t-15w50-semisynthetic-engine-oil-review-9843773
Melbourne, Victoria
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