OzOldie
Soon to be Mandurah based. Currently out of Oz selling a house.

Not currently riding anything - last bike was a HDSofty classic.

These current gen Indians are drop dead gorgeous though... but I'm playing a waiting game until the '19 models arrive (for both brands, see here for why - http://www.indianmotorcycleforum.com.au/post/causes-of-indian-thunder-stroke-111-engine-clacking-8168637?pid=1304817259&random=97826 )
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stevenlb21
Welcome to the forum Ozoldie, I want aware that the '18 Thunderstoke motor were crackers as well, I thought they had solved that issue in the latest engines
Cheers......Steve
Penrith, NSW

2015 Indian Chieftain (Indian Motorcycle Red)
"TECUMSEH"
IMRG Membership No.  AU101486

Meanwhile back at the Ranch, Tonto disguised as a door gets his knob shot off !!!.

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OzOldie
My info might be out of date - granted.

I really hope so - I'd love a new Christian to be triked.  expensive but worth it.  (not as $$ as a Goldwing trike, that's about 67 000!!)

As for Harley, it's been two years and people still have late model '18 that sump and/or fluid migrate.

If Indian have fixed that clacking, it might be worth a look. but then, reports say it mostly happens after 4000k... and then not straight away after that distance.

I think I'll still wait until about March 19, just to make sure.
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stevenlb21
I'm sure you'll be impressed by the new Indians, any reason for a trike set up
Cheers......Steve
Penrith, NSW

2015 Indian Chieftain (Indian Motorcycle Red)
"TECUMSEH"
IMRG Membership No.  AU101486

Meanwhile back at the Ranch, Tonto disguised as a door gets his knob shot off !!!.

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OzOldie
Stability, basically, right ankle is 30% metal and sometimes has little "give-way" moments under pressure (just when you effing need it to act right!).  A trike would allow the wind in the hair without worrying about dropping the bike at a red light.

Plus, too, I'm lazy - I like the idea of just sitting back and looking at the scenery... just not from a convertible car, heh.
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Robbo
Welcome OzOldie
Good luck with the choice. I hope you find your way on to am Indian,  they are great bikes.
As far as I can tell so far the calling is just a noise that annoys some more than others. I haven't seen any real evidence that the engines are compromised.
2017 Dark Horse  - Stage 2, Rush Pipes

Location - Perth, Western Australia
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OzOldie
Yes, I read that too (about more noise than effect)

It's just a source of worry, especially if it is too much oil in the sump... the sumping on a Harley can actually damage the engine. And the fluid migration buggers the transmission!

Someone else told me it (the clank) was gone in the '18 Indians anyway.

I'd love an Indian Trike, really.  Don't trust HD much lately, and the custom trike, while good, look a little "show-offy" to me.

About 38k for the Indian, another 25lk to trikerise it.  (that 38k price was for a tourer profile - a bit wasted as the back end goes for the trikerisation... maybe a bob back end is better (and cheaper))

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From the " Any Interest in an Indian Trike?" thread.

Just bloody beautiful!  #2 in mid blue with light blue metallic flecks... that's the ticket!
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crash
Hi OzOldie, you could also consider

http://towpacusa.com/product/instatrike/

something like this.
Ulysses #30673
IMRG #AU100394
Current: RoadMaster (ebony and ivory)
Highett Victoria Australia
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V-Twin
OzOldie wrote:
These current gen Indians are drop dead gorgeous though... but I'm playing a waiting game until the '19 models arrive (for both brands...)
Hey OzOldie, welcome to our forum.  It would be great to see what both American brands will bring out for 2019MY (model year).  Harley dealer announcement meeting will be held in San Diago in late August (in 5 - 6 weeks).  My expectation is: rubber mounted 114ci M8 engines on touring range and a brand new frame (lighter and more rigit mono-shock).

However, considering Harley redesigned their Softail range in 2018, my hope is redesigned touring range as well.  For example, Street/Road Glide with adjustable windshield, larger GPS Boom-Box audio with Apple CarPlay, remote lockable hardbags, Tyre Pressure Monitoring System, LED headlights from factory.  Which means, revised fairing design to accommodate the above bits.  And of course, most importantly, fix all the engine issues.

About a month after Harley announcement, Indian will make the announcement for 2019 models.  Considering Thunder Stroke 111 based Indians have been around since MY2014, MY2019 is 6th year of production.  Aside from 19-inch wheels, chopped guards and GPS, not much has changed.  Combined that with HD 114ci M8 becoming the new-norm, I am sure Indian will make 116ci the new ‘base’ engine across the board in MY2019 or MY2020.  I am also hoping for a mid-lifecycle facelift but that probably will not be at the same time as the new engine.  There is a buzz at Polaris USA so I am sure we will see something more than just a new model colour.

Competition is great for us.
Let's be kind to one another.
Melbourne, Victoria
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V-Twin
stevenlb21 wrote:
I want aware that the '18 Thunderstoke motor were crackers as well, I thought they had solved that issue in the latest engines
Nothing conclusive yet.  So far we know that 116ci Big Bore kit uses the same asymmetric piston skirt design as 2018 111ci Thunder Stroke engines and the one and only 116ci I have ridden was extremely quiet.  As for 2018 MY TS111, not sure... like OzOldie said, not enough mileage done on them to know for sure.  It will take a year or so to know for sure.
Let's be kind to one another.
Melbourne, Victoria
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OzOldie
crash wrote:
Hi OzOldie, you could also consider

http://towpacusa.com/product/instatrike/

something like this.


yes, looks like what OzTrikes on Rockingham do - I'd prefer an Oz built one that passes compliance rather than the faff of getting either the completed thing or parts from USA then mess with some bureaucratic arse to get my own compliance plates.

OzT also do Indians and Goldies.  They seem to have a good choice of options and lots of experience.

(I've had some run-ins with bureaucratic arses here in the UK lately and I'm more likely to drop one than put up with their shit.) (I'll get over ti by then (buy time) though)

Out of interest - you know (or might not) how Harley do a CVO version, the 114 factory installed, ready-to-go big bore... do Indian do a factory delivered 116 or 124? or are they only add-on kits?

Someone designed a 151 kit for the Harley... holy shit..
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V-Twin
OzOldie wrote:
Out of interest - you know (or might not) how Harley do a CVO version, the 114 factory installed, ready-to-go big bore... do Indian do a factory delivered 116 or 124? or are they only add-on kits?
At the moment, just the add on kit.  Every big Indians are 111ci from the factory.  Mind you, that is what Harley did in the past.  They would release the big bore kit to existing customers and made thousands. Then, couple of years later, it was made the factory stock engine.
Let's be kind to one another.
Melbourne, Victoria
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OzOldie
Still, the 111 is enough for me. I'm not greedy or trying to compete in a "engine d!ck waving competition"; it was just curiosity.
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V-Twin
OzOldie wrote:
Still, the 111 is enough for me.  "engine d!ck waving competition"
😆 I think Harley and Indian are doing the ‘size’ thing.  

HD Twin Cam engine got up to 103ci for standard engines and 110ci for CVO.

When Indian released the Thunder Stroke back in 2014, it had to be 111ci.

So Harley launched the M8 in 2017 with 107ci (CVO was 114ci). A respectable jump from 103ci and 110ci (CVO).  A year later in 2018, 114ci was released for Softail range and CVO went up to 117ci.

The same year, Indian announced 116ci big bore kit.  It is a natural progression to make the 116ci the standard engine for all big Indians.

What’s next?  If 116ci Thunder Stroke and 114ci M8 offers similar power/torque, they may leave things alone for a bit.  If 116ci turns out to be a tyre shredder, Harley may change the factory cams to something like their stage 2 cams to improve the performance without increasing capacity.  Large air cooled engines are very hot and fins can only do so much.

Eventually, Indian will release the Thunder Stroke MkII - an engine that’s more like the Victory Freedom 106 engine and the new Harley M8 - Quad valves and oil/water cooling design.
Let's be kind to one another.
Melbourne, Victoria
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OzOldie
Yes... and the buyers flock to them.

I've seen people buy a decent M8 107 - and it's not a bad engine apart from the two main issues (that only occur in random small groups) and immediately whack on the "stage kits", sometimes before even riding it (installed as part of the purchase price).

But then.... I've recently been watching a video of a 1200 HP motorcycle using a supercharged V8 Ferrari (I think) engine...  but it only does 8 miles per gallon on a 8 gallon tank.

Yes, 64 mile range on a tank full... what the hell is the point except for "engine-d!ck waving"?

I prefer reliability to "show off value".
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Cloud
Welcom to the forum, Oz Oldie
Ride Safe, Ride Often
2016 Chief Dark Horse
with a few modest mods
NOR Perth WA


IMRG AU - 101381
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Croc
Welcome OZ, I've toyed with the idea of converting My Vintage into a trike.  They look good
& for us "older" types they can be practical.  Money is the main issue, still haven't won lotto yet!
Anyhoo, maybe catch you when you get to W.A.  I'm just up the road a tad in Kwinana.
I'm Not Completely Useless . .
I Can Be Used As A Bad Example!

Kwinana W.A.

Ulysses   #48275
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OzOldie
Talk to the guys at OzTrikes, Rocky-ham.

They charge about $22 000 to trike a bike, not bad considering they do the full-shebang conversion on the job.

Yeah, catch-up, go for a ride and a beer...
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