SRA

Hi All,

So after 3 and a bit years of ownership I sold my 2015 Roadmaster (Strawberry and Cream Two Tone) ๐Ÿ™‚ 

There is no doubt that this was a great machine, but like version 1.0 of anything she had her issues and I think it was the right time to move her on.

Selling privately wasn't easy, in fact it was more of less impossible, so after a few months of almost no bites on gumtree, bike sales and facebook, I took the hit and handed her back to the dealership. I still have Indian #69 of 111, but the Roadmaster has a new home.

She has been replaced by a BMW GS, which is now my commuter bike, filling the role of the RM. Lighter, more efficient, just as much luggage capacity, but about 5 times easier to get through the Perth city traffic, and I can complete my 400km commute without filling up, which is lovely ๐Ÿ™‚ 

Depreciation was huge, despite having fitted the cams, filter, pipes etc. Surely this is something to watch out for....

The process of selling back to the dealer hurt more than I an anticipated, and even when she was on the showroom floor I was getting messages asking me about the bike ๐Ÿ™‚ 

I'm not going to hide the fact that the Perth dealer really didn't do the new owner any favours with this bike.

Anyway, its been a while, but after a long period of recovering from various unpleasant things, I am happy to be back on this forum... (Hello Dear Melbourne Friends with whom we spent a marvellous few days a couple of years ago) 


Finally a Scout [smile]
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CHF10
400km commute! Yikes! I thought my 118.4km was bad.
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V-Twin
Hello SRA!!

Great to have you back onboard.  Sorry to hear about the issues you have experienced with your Roadmaster.  If you feel like sharing your story, I would be interested.  Think of it like the Exit Interview when you leave the company.  ๐Ÿ˜†  Could be therapeutic! 

So you are down to a Vintage and a Scout?

I believe accessories don't add any value to the trade-in price (unlike when selling privately).  But somehow when the dealers price a demo bike (which is really, 'used') with used accessories, they are all added up and then 'discounted' - in the end, the demo bike + accessories still costs more than the price of a new bike with no accessories.  Funny how that works!! ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

I know what you mean about depreciation.  My 2016 Vintage is valued at way less than the BikeSale's lowest trade-in value!  ๐Ÿ™„   It just goes to show.  It is a buyer's market.  So if anyone is thinking about buying a new bike, haggle like crazy!! 

Re: Perth dealer - sounds like your local dealer didn't look after you that well.

Welcome back!! ๐Ÿ˜„
Let's be kind to one another.
Melbourne, Victoria
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CHF10
A demo isn't always used. A demo is a bike or car that's been registered by the dealer. Until then, it's brand new. I was lucky with the wife's new car. They registered it to be a demo a week before I bought it and they never drover it out of the show room. I still got a "brand new" car for demo price. Saved me about $7,000!

The used/trade-in market has been bad for the seller for many many years. But the good news is that's because new prices are so competitive. We pay a lot less today for new vehicles than at almost any time in the past.
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V-Twin
CHF10 wrote:
A demo isn't always used. A demo is a bike or car that's been registered by the dealer. Until then, it's brand new. I was lucky with the wife's new car. They registered it to be a demo a week before I bought it and they never drover it out of the show room. I still got a "brand new" car for demo price. Saved me about $7,000!
CHF, you did not buy a demo car for your wife.  You bought her a brand new car with a demo price tag!!  ๐Ÿ˜„   Great deal mate!!  I would buy that sort of demo any day. 
Let's be kind to one another.
Melbourne, Victoria
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SRA

The dealer did what he was supposed to do, he made Polaris some more $$$ and I don't have a problem with that, despite how much the depreciation clobbered me....What worried me was the ease with which they were able to talk to the new owner of the bike as though it had never been mine....

I sold the Scout too, traded it in for a Triumph Bobber last year...I know this is an Indian forum, but the Triumph Bobber is a better put together machine. After waiting so long to take delivery of my Scout, it was a bit of a disappointment. Great engine, abysmal handling, built to a price and it shows.

I've been really enjoying the Chief Vintage again which is great, and also having fun on the commute with the Beemer. I miss the music a little bit, I have a Sena but its not the same. I also miss the heated seat some days. I don't miss the handling. The GS is such a nimble machine, even fully loaded, and I also enjoy being able to pop the odd Mono away from the lights whilst burning a fair bit less go juice ... ๐Ÿ™‚ 

So yes there are a couple of posts from me knocking Polaris. I guess that is probably a surprise for some people, but I invested quite a bit of time, effort and cash into their bikes and I'm no longer convinced that this company have anything other than a bottom line figure in mind. Come to think of it, I work for a Bank, I know how this works, so I don't know why I ever did....I still have a hole in my Pannier from the 2014 bike from the day I collected it (incorrect install)  They promised a replacement, it never happened. After 5 years, I've kind of given up  ๐Ÿ™‚ 

Despite all this I'm still keen for Indian to deliver something other than the two platforms they have at present. They promised innovation in 2013 and I'm hoping  to see innovation isn't mix and match luggage and wild paint jobs on....

To be fair the Perth Dealer did support the Busselton DGR I ran last year, and they were very happy to turn up and take part, but I'd rather they walked to talk.....

Suzanne.







Finally a Scout [smile]
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V-Twin
Thanks for sharing your story.  For an Indian forum, most of us are pretty open minded and happy to hear about other brands of motorcycles.  Most of us are unlikely to tattoo Indian logo on us and poo-poo all other brands.  Another founding member, Houso Joel, switched to Harley over a year ago (he still pops in now and then).  You are riding a Triumph and a BMW.

Our requirements change over time.  Look at me.  I am thinking of switching to a full fairing bike.  It might be an Indian, it might not.  

Re: Early Scout - This does not help you but Polaris have stepped up and improved the Scout/Bobber range.  Better suspension and better tyres made a big difference straight away.

I think we all hope that Indian brand will continue to grow.  If for no other reason but to keep Harley honest with a real competition.
Let's be kind to one another.
Melbourne, Victoria
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CHF10
So I think you touched on a subject that confuses me a lot. Polaris and the bottom dollar. It's no secret that Polaris don't need Indian for profits. The profits from Indian is like pocket money compared to the profits from the ATV and snow mobile markets. Which leads to my confusion... If they don't need the profits, why buy the Indian brand and start making Indians? And for the most part, very good Indians... The answer I come up with is to resurrect something special. Something unique. To build something that people genuinely fall in love with. To build the Indian brand (to maybe be significantly profitable some day)... To me, the answer is meant to be the experience and the interest in the brand. And you're dead right - they're mostly failing at the moment. Look at IMRG vs HOG. MASSIVE opportunity being wasted there.

We know from this site (and others like it) that aren't Polaris owned/run that there is a HUGE Indian culture out there. It's just not being leveraged in such a way that grows the brand. Maybe they don't want to grow the brand? Maybe this was all just an experiment? I don't have the answers.

As a lot of people know, I wanted a Harley all my life. Until I rode an Indian. If I was like you and could afford multiple bikes at once I would have bought both a Harley and an Indian but I had to pick the best. I will be keeping mine... I will add to it when I can rather than trade it. But because of how Polaris do things I often catch myself wondering if I shouldn't have gone the other way for the so called "better ownership experience". But then that's not what matters most. What matters most is the ride, and who you're riding with. I would rather be on my Chieftain and in this group here any day of the week. I did a Harley shop ride and the looks I got! lol Were they jealous? Maybe? Were they resenting me being there? Maybe. But the thing I'm certain of - riding with the group of Indian riders from this forum (on forum rides, not shop rides) is the best riding experience I've ever had.

So I'm very glad I ride an Indian. Even if Polaris really couldn't care less that I do.
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SRA
I agree, I too am very glad I ride and Indian. My Chief Vintage is like a two wheeled Bentley ๐Ÿ™‚  and I'm not selling #69 anytime soon.....

I've enjoyed some amazing times with Indian riders, and enthusiasts. 

The Indian Launch events were some of the finest Motorcycle  times I've ever enjoyed. My first ride on the Roadmaster from Melbourne, along the Great Ocean Road in the company of many riders was amazing. Followed by a long slog back to Perth, this  was a truly memorable event.

The Roadmaster was a great bike, but I hated the way I paid absolute top dollar for it as a premium product,  and after three years the Audio switch gear was breaking down and degrading and becoming unresponsive.  The chrome dash was flaking and the roadmaster logos on the fairing lowers were falling apart... The value dropped like a stone....They have some serious quality control issues to deal with.

I've owned and ridden a few Harleys, I put 98,000 miles on an Electra Glide Ultra Classic before we left the UK. I still miss that bike a bit ๐Ÿ™‚ Even though the panniers were as fiddly as all hell to open and close, especially with cold hands. It also had a very flat depreciation curve.

I'm not a Tattoo person, I don't mind wearing an Indian Tee shirt, I still have one I bought I Canada from a Gilroy dealer in 2002 ๐Ÿ™‚  They wouldn't ship the bike to the UK, so I bought a Tee Shirt and a Jacket.






Finally a Scout [smile]
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CHF10
Woah! Those are some serious quality issues. Although I am sure a lot of the early quality issues have been resolved.
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Houso Joel
V-Twin wrote:
Another founding member, Houso Joel, switched to Harley over a year ago (he still pops in now and then).  You are riding a Triumph and a BMW.

I'm always about, can't comment a lot on the bikes though cause I'm not riding them lol.
Houso Joel
SYDNEY NORTH
Harley Davidson Traitor [wink]
Started with an Indian - stayed for the conversation
2017 HD Road King Black(Anita)
Previous 2015 Scout Red (Geena)
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crash
Hi SRA, welcome back.

I upgraded from the 2015 to the 2017 (cost me $10k which worked out $5k per annum).  Kind of helped with the depreciation.  I think as soon as the vehicle gets past 30000 kms the value drops off considerably (which is not so good if you like to ride I guess).

I am not sure that the quality has improved so much over the years and yes, it does hurt when you buy a premium machine that has issues that the dealer is not prepared (or not able) to stand behind their product and deal with them in the way that a premium machines vendor should deal with them. 

Oh, by the way, I still take my lego everywhere with me ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

Say hi to your partner for me ๐Ÿ™‚
Ulysses #30673
IMRG #AU100394
Current: RoadMaster (ebony and ivory)
Highett Victoria Australia
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twodogs
And now Iโ€™m the lone founding member with a 2015 two tone Roadmaster ๐Ÿค”
2015 Roadmaster (blood & custard) 
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Galston, NSW Oz
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ME Darkhorse
Hello SRA

Read this post and your issues with the dealer (both post and pre edit) with alot of interest.

Have heard simliar things from other people recently regarding perth, everything seemed perfect at the beginning but the bullsh!t has started getting worse. The first IMRG meeting was good almost everything said was done but then the second one was a hour of my life i'll never get back. Just heard crap and dribble that never happened and imrg seems a joke and and embarrassment to anyone that wears the shirt.

Still think overall we have the best shop and best bikes only some things and people are mediocre. (Edited by Admin)

Perth WA (but move area all over the place)

Dark Horse, cams, tuner, and more to come๐Ÿ˜€

Life is to short to put up with bullshit or bullshitters
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