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faceonahead
V-Twin wrote:
As long as everyone increases the gap, I guess the safety aspect might be sorted.  However, it might be worth sorting the group by skill and confidence level so fast riders are not stuck at the back and slow riders not stuck up the front.  I am assuming you can't over take other riders but you don't have to ride at the slowest rider's pace either, right?  That would be frastrating, I think.
yep frustrating but if fast ones are up front, slow ones goes to faster trying to keep up and crash more often.... My question is what's more important the ride and comradeship or quickest time it takes to arrive?  If the later then maybe big social rides are not for that rider?no 
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V-Twin
faceonahead wrote:
what's more important the ride and comradeship or quickest time it takes to arrive?  If the later then maybe big social rides are not for that rider?no 
In the order of importance for me: (1) Safety,  (2) Comradeship, (3) Have fun (that is, ride at 70% - 80% of one's capacity).  So... IF (and I'm not saying I'm a good rider or anything but) I was riding with people at a pace that gets me to ride at 60%, for the sake of group and individual safety, and comradeship, that might be alright.  

But IF I was (completely hypothetical) riding with people that gets me to ride at 40%... at some point, it is not a lot of fun.  It almost feels like a parade ride down the main street with floats.  

I am hoping there is a nice balance between safety and enjoyment.  And for all I know, that HOG group ride where no one overtakes might be just fine.  I haven't ridden in a group like that before so I just don't know.  I am willing to try!  Only way to know.
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crash
problem is, fast riders end up being corner markers and want to get back to the front.
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faceonahead
crash wrote:
problem is, fast riders end up being corner markers and want to get back to the front.
don't need corner markers if the group stayed together.. 
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V-Twin
faceonahead wrote:
don't need corner markers if the group stayed together.. 
I'm all for giving this method a go but in Melbourne, we get 60 - 70 bikes regularly and couple of times a year, 100+ bikes.  With set of lights, etc., I don't know if it is even possible to ride without corner markers.  I guess we can divide the group into smaller groups.  Hey Face, what size do you think is a manageable group size using HOG method?  
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faceonahead
I ride with a group that can a hundred +, what it takes is everyone knowing the route in broad terms, it also means if the pack gets really split that the lead pack pulls up and waits because thats what you do for your brothers and as the packet with the road captain, it is also safer as motorists can then predict what is going on, unlike the free for all I was a part of on Wed night where motorists basically had to pull back as we took all 3 north bound peak hour lanes on the harbour bridge for example as everyone played who can be the leader etc

Yep you could break the convoy into smaller packets, that might work, would also play into your idea of segregating by skill level, each packet leader (indian staff) could have a scala comm set to keep in touch and updated on traffic/safety concerns...  

All it takes is pack discipline, not for the sake of having rules, but to be respectful to your brothers/sisters to your left/right as well as front and back

Anyway, I hope you have a great Xmas day


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V-Twin
You bring up an interesting point...  if the pack leader and tail end Charlie could communicate, it could go a long way to ensuring that group remain a group.  Combine that with breaking up the group into say a pack of 30-ish bike could work.  Of course that means all Ride Leaders needs to communicate with their own tail end but if the organising dealer purchased a handful of comm units for their staff (or for regular riders with full face helmets)... I still reserve my assessment of 'fun' factor until I have tried but I am willing to give it a go.  Heck!  I am willing to give anything a go so we don't repeat the last ride.
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crash
V-Twin wrote:
You bring up an interesting point...  if the pack leader and tail end Charlie could communicate, it could go a long way to ensuring that group remain a group.  Combine that with breaking up the group into say a pack of 30-ish bike could work.  Of course that means all Ride Leaders needs to communicate with their own tail end but if the organising dealer purchased a handful of comm units for their staff (or for regular riders with full face helmets)... I still reserve my assessment of 'fun' factor until I have tried but I am willing to give it a go.  Heck!  I am willing to give anything a go so we don't repeat the last ride.

I also think that we have a problem getting ride leaders, so getting 3 or so could also be a challenge.
I don't think it matters whether corner markers or not, or three groups or not etc. etc.
It is just as "faceonahead" implied, it's about the ride leader being aware of the group and the group being aware of the rest of the group.
For example, if half the group get caught at the lights then the forward group slows down giving them chance to catch up.  If there are tricky sections, someone stops at the corner so that the pack behind don't get lost.  Anyway, having everyone understand and follow the ride rules (whatever they may be) is paramount to having a safe ride - looking out for one another is important.  I wonder if this is what is missing.
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V-Twin
crash wrote:
looking out for one another is important.
Hear! Hear!!  [thumb]
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CHF10

Wow! It's been many years since I did group rides. That was with ISRA Sydney and Canberra. We never had nearly the amount of riders as 70+ but 20 - 40 wasn't uncommon. And I don't ever recall there being a leader.

We had people that wanted to ride flat out, ride hard and generally not ride with the group but still be part of it. They knew the destination and the route and left first. Their choice not to stay with the group. Riding staggered formation was a given and no corner markers ever needed. One person was nominated to be last and the leader had to keep them within sight (generally speaking) and that got us where we were going safely and enjoyably. Waiting after splits at lights etc. Everyone pulling into a servo is one person needed it. It's not rocket science. If there are people who aren't there to ride as part of the group, let them go! Don't force (or try to force) a group of different minded riders together just because it's called a "group ride".

I was looking forward to my first Melbourne shop ride and meeting plenty of new people but having read this it seems there's one thing lacking - a common sense approach. You can't keep 70 - 100 or more riders together without a Police escort or without being part of a 1% MC in a city like Melbourne or Sydney so why is that even being attempted? Let those who want to ride fast make their own way to wherever the destination is. They'll stay in their small, fast group. The last rider is actually also a group leader. They're last for a reason. If anyone loses the group, they simply wait for the last rider and then you end up with a tail group until it catches up with the main group.

I ride a Chieftain for crying out loud. I want to cruise along at or below the speed limit and enjoy the ride. Then relax with fellow motorcycle enthusiasts when we stop.

At the risk of sounding arrogant and judgemental for which I apologise, it sounds like the biggest issue (without knowing all the details) is a lack of strong leadership and coordination combined with a lack of respect for whatever leadership there is.

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RoadRunner
Any update on monthly dealer rides?
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CHF10
Pretty sure regular rides are being coordinated by V-Twin for now.
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V-Twin
RoadRunner wrote:
Any update on monthly dealer rides?
In the past, Melbourne dealer rides were on 1st Sunday of every month.  So there should have been a ride this Sunday but I have not heard anything about it.
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V-Twin
Kristopher wrote:
Pretty sure regular rides are being coordinated by V-Twin for now.
Over the winter period, rides are less structured and more of a 'last minute' thing.  If you have not signed up to forum SMS system yet, check this link out. http://www.indianmotorcycleforum.com.au/post/register-for-sms-notification-of-upcoming-rides-now-8428896

It is used to let members know when a ride is posted of the forum.
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