Wideone
A sneak peek. 




https://www.rideapart.com/articles/362483/new-indian-challenger-motorcycle-leak/
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V-Twin
Thanks for sharing the news Wideone!  

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The below was posted on 12 March 2019 (https://www.indianmotorcycleforum.com.au/post/leaked-photograph-of-new-indian-motorcycle-is-it-raven-renegade-or-challenger-10102724).
V-Twin wrote:
The whisper from the shadow is that it ‘appears to be slightly smaller’ than the existing range of Indians.  I was not able to ask if they meant the engine capacity or physical dimensions.

Now to my own, personal, stab in the dark, guess, based on nothing concrete.  Was that a disclaimer or what? 😜  IF this fixed fairing bike is the foundation of either the Raven, Renegade or Challenger... my guess is that it will be a lighter, sports touring bike.  Still not able to compete with the BMW K1600 or even with the Honda Goldwing, but it would be much more nimble and leave the Thunder Stroke 116ci in the dust.

Again IF this is what Polaris USA is thinking of doing, it is a clever move in my humble opinion.  Why?

As it was evidenced by the ‘facelift’ of 2019 Chieftain, we (the customer base) didn’t agree with the direction Polaris had taken the Chieftain line-up.  If a new model does not change enough, people might say, ‘what’s the point?’ and if too much had changed, some might say, ‘it is not in keeping with the Indian philosophy or design.’  However, if Polaris launches a brand new model range like the FTR, the Raven/Renegade could be anything - maybe water-cooled, quad-valves per cylinder engine, lighter frame, performance focused and most importantly, appeals to the younger crowd!!

I think Polaris is AB testing.  That is, they might keep the existing range of Chiefs and Chieftains (and related models) and continue to make small changes to keep the interest alive (eg. 3 Ride Modes, Rear Cylinder Deactivation, factory 116ci engine, etc.,) over the next few years - this is ‘A’.  During that time, they will possibly launch the fix fairing sports touring Indians - that would be ‘B’.  Then Polaris will monitor the sales figures of A and B.  If both are still climbing, great.  If the sales for A is plummeting and B is skyrocketing, the A range (Chiefs & Chieftain based motorcycles) might be dropped like the Victory brand.

This brings up the topic of, ‘Will Polaris facelift the Roadmaster and Chief range or keep them untouched approach?’

Again, looking to the Victory brand for a clue, many Victory riders complained about the lack of model updates for about a decade before the brand was closed.  No, Indian brand will not shut down any time soon.  What I am saying is that Chief and Chieftain based Indian motorcycles may not continue if the facelifts or some other investments are not forthcoming.  If Polaris shows some love for the aging models, there is hope.  The facelift of 2019 Chieftain really did set our expectations.  Which model will receive the next facelift?  How will they look?

Last year, Harley-Davidson announced their intention to diversify their product range with adventure bikes and electric motorcycles, as well as, eBikes.  

I have always thought the big v-twins are like the V8s of the car industry. They are lazy, low revving torque monsters.  How many V8 cars are made today?  Not a lot.  

We might love our bikes but Polaris is chasing profits.  They want to make what sells and stop making what doesn't.  I suspect we will not recognise the Indian brand in the next 10 years.  That’s not necessarily a bad thing.  We don't want to be like Harley-Davidson - they stopped innovating decades ago to please their core followers. HD is trying to turn things around as well.  I hope Harley and Indian keep on outdoing one another for many years to come. 

Now that we’ve got to see snippets of the Challenger in the video, we know it is a water cooled engine. 👍

Thank goodness Indian Challenger don’t come with two round headlights! 👍😆  

It sure looks modern!  I am keen to see the bike in person.  The design of FTR did nothing for me (it looked like ‘just another road bike).  However, this Challenger could be good.  We’ll just have to wait and see.
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Wideone
I hope it doesn’t look too good. My Chieftain limited arrives next week. Lol. I saw the pics in March and thought the new donk sounds interesting. If they put this engine in the Chieftain I’d wait a couple of years for them to gets the bugs out of them anyway. 
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Wideone wrote:
If they put this engine in the Chieftain I’d wait a couple of years for them to gets the bugs out of them anyway. 
Yes, some would have to be brave to touch a first model year anything (cars or bikes).  Especially since it took Indian 4 years to fix the 'clacking' issues on Thunder Stroke engines (and did not fix the clacking on early adopters' bikes) and some early model Scouts ridden in hot weather suffered from Throttle  surging issues.
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V-Twin
A marketing promo photo of the new, fixed fairing, Challenger surfaced.  From the side profile photo, it still looks like a modern interpretation of Harley-Davidson's Road Glide Special - just with sharper creases and angles.  In fact, I would not have been surprised if this bike was the MY2020 Road Glide Special.  

I note a bit of disconnect between the Challenger's new 'angular' fairing and the 'curved' and 'softer' design of fuel tank and the hard bags carried over from 2019 face-lifted Chieftain. 🤔  I'm sure it was a balancing act.  Too angular and some might call this new bike a Victory Challenger! 

It looks to have an adjustable windshield 👍.  It also appears to have additional wind deflectors fitted (black plastic parts on the side of the fairing that extends the whole length).  No doubt, this fairing was designed and refined in the wind tunnel.

Polaris USA registered a few other names like Raven and Renegade.  So, I wouldn't be surprised to find a variation of this bike with a trunk (a Roadmaster replacement?)  What I am most curious about is the size of this bike.  I was really excited about the Scout announcement, only to realise that it was too small for me.  Is Challenger the same size as a Chief/Chieftain or somewhere between them and Scout - a mid-size bike?

In any case, I can't wait to take one for a spin.

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V-Twin
Some more images for us to enjoy!  (thanks 'Pin-It' from Colorado for these photos).  Pin-It says, they were Chieftain-size, and that the front-end looked amazing - the way the LED lights are positioned on either side of the 'shield' shaped headlight.  If they are running on 106ci water-cooled engines, it is good to know that they had a nice rumble to their exhaust sound.  The Indian headdress logo on the fuel tank will NOT be the MY2019/2020 stick on plastic/aluminium style, but rather more traditional decal style headers. Also, Challenger will see Ride Command v2, but the placement appears to be different from the existing design.  The Ride Command screen on Chieftain/RM is placed between the speedo and the tacho.  On the new Challenger, the speedo and tacho are relocated above the Ride Command.  I can't wait to see one in person!

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V-Twin
I'm hearing whispers that 'some issues are being ironed out' with the yet to be announced Indian.  It is definitely better to go to the market when it is 'fully baked', then only 'half baked'.  Even if that means, the launch might be delayed by a year.

Another photo of Indian Challenger.  Is that a coloured wheel I see?  🤔  The hardbags appear to be from 2019 Chieftain - which might mean some of the existing accessories are compatible?

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Matt01
Here is a link some may fine interesting 

https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/indian-powerplus-v-twin-engine-preview

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A few more spy pics for your enjoyment.  Apparently, these photographs were taken on the press launch day (that must mean the launch of Challenger is imminent).

Please note the inclusion of lonely Harley-Davidson Road Glide thrown in the mix for a comparison.  As speculated, Indian Challenger is targeting the Road Glide - the brand new, mono-shock, water-cooled Challenger against the aging, duel-shock, air-cooled Road Glide.  Hmmm!  ÃƒÆ’ƒÆ’ƒÃ‚°Ã…¸Â¤â€ÃƒÃ‚°Ã…¸Ëœ†

We can finally see the details in the fairing in these photographs - they are more modern in design with sharper creases (in my opinion, toned down from Victory spaceship-modern).  Looks alright to me.  Most importantly, the design is uniquely Indian (except for the storage compartments below the speakers - they are straight out of Road Glide fairings. ðŸ™Ë†

It is also worth noting that the ‘bracket’ or parentheses shaped daylight running lights double as turn signals (please see the first photo below).  Cool!!  ÃƒÆ’ƒÆ’ƒÃ‚°Ã…¸â€˜Â

Also, the windshield is height adjustable - please see the photo of two Challengers side-by-side with different height windshield.  The raised screen exposes blacked out section at the base.  It masks massive letterbox shaped hole for air flow management.

The new instrument cluster relocate gauges higher up and in the centre of the dashboard. 👍 The Ride Command II is placed beneath the gauges.  The dash of Indian Chieftain/Roadmaster received some criticism in the past for looking like the front-end of a Jeep. 😜

These motorcycles are offered in both Dark Horse models (blacked out parts and engines) and chrome models.  One of the model is shown in a photographs with pinstriped wheels. I guess the 80s styling is coming back! 😜

Looking at the photo of the bronze coloured bike from the side, some how the front fairing looks too low (maybe that rider is very tall?) 🤔

The official announcement for the launch of 2020 Indian Challenger is said to be 29 October USA date (so 30 October for us).

What do you think?  Do you like the look of these new Indians?


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Wideone
I’m not hating it but I’d like to see one in the flesh. 
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V-Twin
Wideone wrote:
I’m not hating it but I’d like to see one in the flesh. 
You and me both!  😀  ...and hopefully get to ride one.
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V-Twin
The official video from Indian Motorcycle announcing the PowerPlus108ci engine.  It claims to be "the most powerful V-twin engine in its class".  

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kmoulds
I agree with the above comments.  I would like to see one in the flesh also but from the photos alone I don't like the look of the fairing at all.

I'm still very, very happy with my 2016 Springfield and I don't see myself changing it for quiet some time if at all.

Cheers Kym - Sydney - NSW
2016 custom painted red & black Indian Springfield
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V-Twin
Here is a clear image of the 2020 Indian Challenger fairing from the front.  

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DAVO
Seeing that the Indian Challenger is being released this coming week, will Polaris Aust import a Challenger for display at the upcoming National motorcycle show at Wollongong in a couple of weeks ?
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V-Twin
DAVO wrote:
Seeing that the Indian Challenger is being released this coming week, will Polaris Aust import a Challenger for display at the upcoming National motorcycle show at Wollongong in a couple of weeks ?
Of course this is only my speculation... if Challenger was fully baked and ready to go earlier, some of them would be on the cargo ship right now.  However, since the rumours say there were some issues they had to iron out, I assume the production models are only rolling out this week?  If so, we will not see it for 8 weeks.
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DAVO
V they can fly a bike out for the show
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V-Twin

DAVO wrote:
V they can fly a bike out for the show
Huh haha!!! They could, but most likely wouldn’t.  

This is Polaris we are talking about.  I think they didn’t even have the Indian stand at the last Sydney Motorcycle Expo.  It wouldn’t surprise me if Indian doesn’t have a stand again. 😟

I know some trade shows can make money for the brand, while others lose money (but exposes brand to the public).  Maybe Polaris did their numbers and decided it is not worth their money or their effort?  Either way, I don’t think we will see the Challenger in person for couple of months. 

Having said that, with Victory Octane, they did have a pre-production (not rideable) bike way before the stock bikes landed.  Maybe Indian AU have one of those that they could parade around from one dealer to the next to collect some deposits?

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1854cc
First time I saw it I hated the look, now I don't know ...guess like everyone else, need to see it in the metal.  Just showed the finance minister and the response was a definite YUK....so that's that then.   For a split second I thought it might be the answer to get those extra ponies I am lacking on my RM, but apparently not 🙂
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Wideone
I’m looking forward to seeing how it will evolve. Cams, big bore kits, tour packs, paint schemes, etc. 
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DAVO
Wideone wrote:
I’m looking forward to seeing how it will evolve. Cams, big bore kits, tour packs, paint schemes, etc. 
Maybe cams, air box etc, I doubt Big bore kits, the unfaired and Adventure versions to follow, I really like the look of the Indian Challenger.
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V-Twin

Models, Colours and US Pricing on 2020 Indian Challenger

All the US Dealers received this information on 14 October 2019.  They are expected to receive their stock from 4 November 2019 (49 States).

  • Challenger Standard (Probably not available in Australia)
    • in Titanium colour USD$21,999 (Priced the same as Chieftain Standard (budget model with less features), which is not available in Australia. 
  • Challenger Dark Horse (Blacked-out models)
    • in Thunder Black Smoke USD$27,499
    • in White Smoke USD$28,249
    • in Sandstone Smoke (bronze) USD$28,249
  • Challenger Elite (Chrome models)
    • in Thunder Black Pearl USD$27,999 (Priced the same as Chieftain Limited, which is AUD$38,995)
    • in Ruby Metallic USD$28,749
    • in Deepwater Metallic USD$28,749

 

So, if the Challenger Standard is not available in Australia, prices for Challenger Dark Horse and Elite might be around AUD$38,500 - $39,995.  I suspect the first Aussie shipment will land around mid-December to mid-January 2020.

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Wideone
Ruby metallic? 🥰🥰🥰 I’d better start saving. 
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Stephen Webb
Best time to get one. If you convert the USD to AUS you be paying a lot more.  Jump in now, I did and am the happiest Challenger rider around.  All ready in for my first service.  Fantastic bike and am getting favourable comments from all types of riders.
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