Vagabond
Have a question for those of you who have changed their stock indicators to LEDs......did you use a flasher relay or go with load resistors??
Flasher relay looks like the easiest option but i'll be damned if i can find where it is supposed to plug in....looking through other threads and forums it looks like it may have to be wired in seperately somewhere but not sure where (so maybe not the easiest option).
Load resistors look relativelt easy but generate a bit of heat so not sure if too good to put in headlight casing for the fronts.

Cheers all ðŸ‘
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Dr.Shifty
I don't know how the blinkers on the Scout are wired but the TS111 bikes do not have a flasher unit at all. The flashing is managed by the VCM as part of the Canbus system. I imagine the Scout is the same as it is also Canbus.

I'm surprised that the Scout doesn't already have LED blinkers, but it's a while since I had a Scout and forget what the blinkers looked like. Do LED replacements not come as plug and play?
Cheers, Kim.

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Vagabond
Maybe the new Scouts have LED's but not sure as I have a 2015 so normal globes in those ðŸ˜’
Have been through the Scout maintenance manual and can't find any mention of a flasher relay.
Wasn't sure if I was just missing it or it just didn't exist in the Scout.
Have read that the VCM controls the flashing but also seen that others have wired in relays or load resistors to stop the fast flash rate when they installed LED's.
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damienpearse
the scout bobber has LED's, someone may have take-offs they want to off load.
If you ever want to sell your standard indicators, please let me know.
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Vagabond
Would be more than happy to sell once i've taken them off but 1 used to get water on the inside when riding in rain and has partly eaten away some of the reflector material..... still works fine but looks shite ðŸ˜’
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Kyane

I have changed both front and rear on my 2018 scout bobber, front no problem at all, but rear a bit harder.

My electrical system is a canbus version, I’m guessing a 2015 scout is as well it’s a electrical system thats that’s been around for a few years now and I would be surprised if it didn’t have led indicators too!

This is what I would do: first you need to confirm if you have led indicators or not.

Unplug your indicator from its wiring connector, grab yourself a multimeter and switch it to continuity like the test light with a buzzer function,
Get your indicator wiring connector from the indicator side and see if you have continuity between the pins on that plug, put the multimeter on either pin and see it it buzzes, (has continuity).
Now reverse the multimeter on the same pins and do it again, check for the buzz again, if you have an old incandescent globe the multimeter will buzz with the multimeter reversed both ways on those two pins, if only one way then you have led indicators, remember an LED stands for “light emitting diode” and diodes only allows power one direction through a wire.

Once you know what you have it should be real easy from here.

If it turns out the old indicators were led, try the  new ones straight up, cut the connector off and splice to new indicator and plug it in, if it works and all indicators are flashing at the normal speed you are done!, just do your other indicator and your finished, just make sure you use solder and heat shrink and do it right.

If the speed is wrong (hyperflash), it can be too things, resistance based or canbus based but try that first and let me know how you go as theres no point writing it up if not needed, my finger is getting sore lol

Shane.






 

 

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Vagabond
Cheers for the info Shane.
Guess we'll give it a go and see what happens.
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damienpearse
Indian sell the ftr led headlight as direct fit for all scouts, does that make it clearer that it is or isn't canbus?
also thanks Vagabond!
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Kyane
Best is to confirm the original type of indicator type first,, globe or led, will take one minute, it’s easy.
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Vagabond
Kyane wrote:
Best is to confirm the original type of indicator type first,, globe or led, will take one minute, it’s easy.

2015 Scouts are globes.....
As i understand it the Bobber are LED's and Scout are globes (go figure).
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Kyane
If that’s the case you could possibly have an issue as the canbus sends out a small signal to check the function of devices ie: a blown globe in your indicator, no return on the signal and you will get a corresponding code meaning indicator out, remember the led are diodes so it’s a one way power street and it might not get the feedback and report it as an error.

I can send you my front led scout bobber indicators it you like and you can just try them, if they work great, keep them and shoot me something for them, does that help at all?
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srd0060
Vagabond wrote:

2015 Scouts are globes.....
As i understand it the Bobber are LED's and Scout are globes (go figure).


All Scouts are globes, the bobbers are LED, if you put cheap LED globes in a scout they give off a slight glow.  
2018 Scout, Thunder black, Beach bars, DART screen.
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MickB

I swapped out 2015/16 indicators fo ARC LEDs and used mini relays, looks better, far brighter and worked straight up. 

front indicators were swapped straight out for LEDs worked perfectly. 

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Vagabond
Kyane wrote:
If that’s the case you could possibly have an issue as the canbus sends out a small signal to check the function of devices ie: a blown globe in your indicator, no return on the signal and you will get a corresponding code meaning indicator out, remember the led are diodes so it’s a one way power street and it might not get the feedback and report it as an error.

I can send you my front led scout bobber indicators it you like and you can just try them, if they work great, keep them and shoot me something for them, does that help at all?

Thanks for the offer Shane.
Was actually looking to scale down in size for the indicators and it looks like the Bobbers are about the same.
been doing some trawling of the interwebs and it seems that because of the way the Scout CANBUS/ECM controls the flash rate it can be quite finicky as to which LED's it likes.
Apparently some bikes can accept LED's and have no issues whereas others install same lights but then have to install relays or load resistors. Nothing like keeping you guessing.
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Vagabond
MickB wrote:

I swapped out 2015/16 indicators fo ARC LEDs and used mini relays, looks better, far brighter and worked straight up. 

front indicators were swapped straight out for LEDs worked perfectly. 


Were these the X Arc lights Mick that you installed??
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MickB
Vagabond which X Arcs?
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Vagabond
MickB wrote:
Vagabond which X Arcs?

These little puppies  http://www.hightechspeed.com/products/xarc/index.html
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Vagabond
So thought Id give a quick update on the switch to LED indicators.
After ordering a couple of sets of indicators and some load resistors i set about the install.
remove the old indicators and started wiring in the new 1s.
Did front left 1st and guess what?? no hyperflash so no load resistor required.
Did the other side and gain no issue.
Started on the rear.
Did the rear left 1st and guess what??? this 1 had the hyperflash ðŸ˜’
So now i was confused that front wher fine and rear not so much.
Had disconnected the front as i had to make some new brackets to mount the indicators on so i reconnected them just to make sure i wasn't mistaken with the flash rate. The front still flashed away at what it should but lo and behold the rear had slowed down to the same rate as well. WIN!!!!!!
So in the end there was no need for resistors ðŸ˜›
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JuanPoop
Nice work - they look great. 

Also good to see that there was appropriate resistance to you hyper-flashing - or something like that!!

😏

aka - John
2017 Springfield - grey / burgundy
Northern Beaches - Sydney
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