Dr.Shifty
Rick and Jaden at AAMC have had my bike in the workshop for a few days. They decatted it, installed 558 cams, and did a dyno tune. I already had HighFlo AC and Stage 1 pipes.

Apart from the dramas of the dyno machine's PowerCore software not wanting to play happily, and the knock sensor messing up the project because it was sitting against the motor and melted, things went well.

Here's the chart. I had 95 octane fuel in the tank and Rick says these graphs will be a little higher on 98 as the fuel management will push it as far as it can once it recognises the higher octane capability.

Dyno Chart 01.jpg

I left Melbourne close on lunch time and have pulled up at Holbrook for the night. It was raining all the way to Wodonga, and 13c the whole trip so I'm a bit cold - didn't bring any cold weather clothes but I had wet weather gear on the bike.

Because of the rain and traffic I didn't push the motor to see what difference the performance mods have made. However, it's noticeably louder, especially under acceleration if I shift where I used to. It's got more bark now where it used to be more muted and rumbly.

The cams want to rev a bit more before shifting and the exhaust note is not so noisy if I let it rev out more before changing up. I also notice that it revs up faster. Before it seemed to get a bit sluggish above 4,000 rpm (although that might relate to the knock sensor failing) whereas now it's happier to get into 'yee ha' territory.

I'd planned on heading into north east Vic bike roads, and then over the Snowies and down through Perisher etc. They had snow up there two days ago and more expected tonight so that got canned.

Getting into proper bike roads will have to wait until I ride out from under this rain.


Nothing to do with the bike, but worthy of a minute or two of wonderment. The motel I'm in stores the crockery etc in the microwave oven as if it's a cupboard. 🙄
Cheers, Kim.

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Robbo
Thanks Dr Shifty
Did you get a before run on the dyno?
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CHF10
Sounds perfect to me. Looking forward to a full review once you're on dry roads. I might go down the same path with my bike that you've gone down.

There won't be snow on the roads. But without some warm gear it might be too cold. Definitely looking to do Alpine Way from Khancoban to Jindabyne soon! 
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Dr.Shifty
Robbo wrote:
Thanks Dr Shifty
Did you get a before run on the dyno?


No, I didn't even think to ask about that.
Cheers, Kim.

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Dr.Shifty

A couple more points.

I rode home watching the fuel consumption and it looked like I was using fuel faster than before. When I was speaking with Rick at AAMC he said his Springfield got slightly improved consumption with the 558 cams, which I liked the sound of. I'd appreciate a little more range from a tank.

When I checked my dockets today I found my fuel consumption dropped slightly. I checked the dockets from riding from Newcastle to Melbourne against the home run. That is just on 1,000 kms and several fuel-ups each way. Going down I averaged 17.5 kms per litre. Coming home I averaged 17.1 kms per litre.

I know that turning on the new power of the cams will cost me in fuel, but cruise control on the motorway does not require extra performance from the bike. Even at level running the new cams plus decatting means a little extra spend on fuel and less range per tank.

Today I rode out to Jerry's Cafe at Kulnura, a popular bike cafe about 100 kms from home. It's a winding road and mostly in good condition but speed limits mean I could not open the bike up too much. The power characteristics of the bike are very different. The extra torque is evident and the bike handled it without really needing too many down-shifts. It will carry itself well from 2,000 rpm to 5,000 in any gear, which is where I stopped pushing it. That's a very wide rev range.

What made me change down was the different exhaust note. Before it was a low growly note - think of a German Shepherd eating and the cat comes along and sits there as if to steal his dinner. The dog does that low grrrr ... kind of warning. That is the old sound. Now the cat moves in and the dog snarls with a sharper note and higher volume, that snarl is the new sound.

I found that holding in a lower gear and letting the revs really rise before changing up resulted in quicker acceleration and a calmer exhaust note. I'm not a fan of noisy pipes, especially the percussive attack-dog bark that some pipes have - mostly among my HD mates who seem to be having a volume competition. I'd deliberately not worn ear plugs today so I could get an appreciation of the new exhaust note.

The noisiest point seems to be when I'm noodling along and crack the throttle without changing down.The bike responds to high torque requests at lower revs with the loudest exhaust note. Keeping the revs up where the cams are happier, and then giving it a high torque request, means a quieter note.

And that is about it.

Cheers, Kim.

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1854cc
Thanks for the post, really interested about this as it seems like the best bang for the buck and the most like route I take IF I decide I need a little more.
Was this done with the PC5 or PVCX ?
More importantly has the low rev characteristics of the bike changed for the worst ?  I keep reading that this is one of the unfortunate side effect of the S3BBK apart from emptying your wallet.  Apparently the 116's are very twitchy / jerky at low revs and lost that super smooth low speed characteristics our 111 have out of the box.   I think at lot has to do with the quality of the tune but I like to know whether yours has changed.
Also, if you don't mind telling us what the whole show has set you back, I am sure we would all be interested in that too 🙂
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CHF10
Regarding fuel consumption comparison heading down from Newcastle to Melbourne vs back... I can't speak for the Newcastle to Sydney (and vice versa) section but I do know there's more downhill in the southerly direction than northerly. I.e. You naturally use more fuel heading north from Melbourne to Sydney just due to there being more uphill.
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1854cc wrote:
Thanks for the post, really interested about this as it seems like the best bang for the buck and the most like route I take IF I decide I need a little more.
Was this done with the PC5 or PVCX ?
More importantly has the low rev characteristics of the bike changed for the worst ?  I keep reading that this is one of the unfortunate side effect of the S3BBK apart from emptying your wallet.  Apparently the 116's are very twitchy / jerky at low revs and lost that super smooth low speed characteristics our 111 have out of the box.   I think at lot has to do with the quality of the tune but I like to know whether yours has changed.
Also, if you don't mind telling us what the whole show has set you back, I am sure we would all be interested in that too 🙂
rsm8


It's as smooth at low revs as always. My throttle response is set a little sharp but the motor is very controllable with smooth throttle movement. There is no jerky twitchy feel to it at all.

Tuning was done with a PVCX which I already had. That would add to the price for somebody without already owning it.

Price was just over $300 for the decat - I could have done this myself but I'm now old and lazy enough to pay somebody else to get stuff done. 🙂

Cams, fitting, tuning, decat, all up about $2,300.

Into that I have to add fuel cost to Melbourne and back, several nights in motels, food in restaurants, ... no, let's not add all that into it. 🙄

Getting a current quote is the only way you can get a proper price, as there are lots of bits and pieces that add into it and exchange rate can influence cam cost.
Cheers, Kim.

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V-Twin
Hey Shifty,

Now that you had the Lloydz 558 cams for a couple of months, what are your thoughts?  Tell us all... good and bad.  Any issues with the tune?  On hot days or cold days?  Riding around town vs on the highway?  Happy with the custom throttle mapping?  It will be a great help to all who are considering the similar package.

Cheers!
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Dr.Shifty
V-Twin wrote:
Hey Shifty,

Now that you had the Lloydz 558 cams for a couple of months, what are your thoughts?  Tell us all... good and bad.  Any issues with the tune?  On hot days or cold days?  Riding around town vs on the highway?  Happy with the custom throttle mapping?  It will be a great help to all who are considering the similar package.

Cheers!


Nothing has changed from what I have put in earlier posts.
Cheers, Kim.

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tassierob
Hi Guys,
had the Lloyds 558 cams fitted to my 2014 chief and results below, a mate has same era bike with Indian stage 2 cams, and I'm around 9-10 HP better off. Running well so far, will take a decent ride over the weekend.
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V-Twin
Congrats Rob!  Looks like Sean worked his magic.  The graph looks real smooth!  I’m looking forward to your full review at some stage.
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tassierob
Aidan and Sean got that line pretty straight and smooth.
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Went for a decent ride over the weekend and all I can say is the Lloydz 558 cams are well worth the money. The bike just pulls so much harder especially notice when overtaking numpty tourists. The sound has also changed to a much more pleasant deeper rumble at idle and underway. I initially had a fuelmoto map and it was very good, then I had that tidied up and sorted out  a bit by Aidan and Sean at Tasmanian Indian on the dyno. All in all a very good investment and I have about 10HP more than my mate with his Indian Stage 2 cams but the rideability is excellent and smooth throttle response.

Rob
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tassierob wrote:
Went for a decent ride over the weekend and all I can say is the Lloydz 558 cams are well worth the money. The bike just pulls so much harder especially notice when overtaking numpty tourists. The sound has also changed to a much more pleasant deeper rumble at idle and underway. I initially had a fuelmoto map and it was very good, then I had that tidied up and sorted out  a bit by Aidan and Sean at Tasmanian Indian on the dyno. All in all a very good investment and I have about 10HP more than my mate with his Indian Stage 2 cams but the rideability is excellent and smooth throttle response.

Rob

Great to hear! Can I ask what year model you have?

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tassierob
I have a 2014 Chief classic which I bought in the USA, rode across the country for a month then imported it. It currently has a wimmer custom air cleaner and TAB performance BAM slip-ons still with the cats. Also have a PVCX for tuning. Apparently the USA models had a slightly different initial tune than the Oz delivered ones but it is all custom tuned now, has approx 28k on the clock.

Rob
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CHF10

tassierob wrote:
I have a 2014 Chief classic which I bought in the USA, rode across the country for a month then imported it. It currently has a wimmer custom air cleaner and TAB performance BAM slip-ons still with the cats. Also have a PVCX for tuning. Apparently the USA models had a slightly different initial tune than the Oz delivered ones but it is all custom tuned now, has approx 28k on the clock.

Rob

Nice! Very nice! 😃

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tassierob wrote:
Went for a decent ride over the weekend and all I can say is the Lloydz 558 cams are well worth the money. The bike just pulls so much harder especially notice when overtaking numpty tourists. The sound has also changed to a much more pleasant deeper rumble at idle and underway. I initially had a fuelmoto map and it was very good, then I had that tidied up and sorted out  a bit by Aidan and Sean at Tasmanian Indian on the dyno. All in all a very good investment and I have about 10HP more than my mate with his Indian Stage 2 cams but the rideability is excellent and smooth throttle response.

Rob


Good to hear. I recently purchased a set of very lightly used 558’s for $350 U.S. I plan on doing the install myself in a couple months once the winter weather breaks.
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