AAMC
Hi all, 
We are doing both Lloyd’s 558 cams and 585 with injector upgrade this week and next. We’ll do base dyno runs on both and final runs after tuning to show the results. Stay posted! 😉
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V-Twin
AAMC wrote:
We are doing both Lloyd’s 558 cams and 585 with injector upgrade this week and next. We’ll do base dyno runs on both and final runs after tuning to show the results. Stay posted! 😉
This will be worth a whole new thread!!  😃
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Melbourne, Victoria
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Washbrook
AAMC wrote:
Hi all, 
We are doing both Lloyd’s 558 cams and 585 with injector upgrade this week and next. We’ll do base dyno runs on both and final runs after tuning to show the results. Stay posted! ðŸ˜‰


OK, I'll bite, I am not a mechanic or mechanically minded so what is the difference between the 558 and 585 cams? I read the Lloyds website but none the wiser.
Norman Hall [aka Washbrook]
Man of Few Words
2017 Indian Roadmaster [Willow Green over Ivory Cream]
1999 Vulcan Drifter
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Kappy
Washbrook wrote:


OK, I'll bite, I am not a mechanic or mechanically minded so what is the difference between the 558 and 585 cams? I read the Lloyds website but none the wiser.


I think the 585 cams require injector upgrade to work correctly.

RICK maybe you can clarify a statement put to me..... I'm also using a PVCX tuner, that desler advised me if I ever  have a warranty issue, Polaris are able read the ECU and tell how many and what other maps have been used and potentially void my warranty........scare tactics???? don't know.
Kappy

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AAMC
Hi Kappy,
Yes, we can and many brands have a "flash counter" built in. In this day of re-flashing through OBD ports its the safe way for them to tell if the tune has been modified, or not. 
The Bosch EFI system in the Indians are very smart. We can tell how you ride, how fast, what RPM, even if your FOB battery is getting low. 
To clarify, with most manufacturers any failure would need to be directly linked / related to the tune to not be covered by warranty. 
It's not scare tactics really and I've rarely seen that used to avoid a genuine warranty issue. Other things like service history etc can also have an impact on any claim. 
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1854cc
Washbrook wrote:


OK, I'll bite, I am not a mechanic or mechanically minded so what is the difference between the 558 and 585 cams? I read the Lloyds website but none the wiser.

Different cam profile.  The numbers related to the lift so the 585 opens the valves more then the 558.  There may also be opening faster and stay open longer, not sure.  Lloydz doesn't publish cam details so you don't have those details.   So, given all that the 585 should provide better performance.
Before you ask why even bother with 558 if the 585 are better performing....the answer is engine longevity !   The more you push the cam design the more strain you put on the all parts.
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V-Twin
Since the discussion is on foot... I found this dyno sheet on the net.  A mob called Runaway Performance in Iowa posted this info.

Indian Stage 1 AC + Stage 2 Cams + Indian tune

vs

Lloydz Motor Workz 558 cams (USD$625) + Small Mod (Presumably removing cats) + PVCX


runaway-performance-stage-2-lloydz-558-dyno.jpg 


"Blue lines are "as delivered " with and Indian stg1 air cleaner, Indian stg2 cams, and Indian programming.

Red lines are after the Lloydz Motor Workz 558 cams, a $250 exhaust restriction removal, and tuned on The Runway Performance Indian Motorcycles in-house Dynojet Research Inc. dyno and PVCX flash tuner.

10% more peak torque, and 20% more peak power. Significant gains at every point in the RPM range. Rev extend, top speed limiter removal and super efficient engine tuning. All done in the same day!"
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Roady
Bike done at All American Motorcycles on 28/3/2018. First run to see what state engine is at 75.7hp (Stage 2 Cams), after some mods (Lloydz 558 cams) and tinkering 96.5hp marked improvement. will place copy of dyno sheet when I can resize photo.
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V-Twin
Roady wrote:
after some mods (Lloydz 558 cams) and tinkering 96.5hp marked improvement. will place copy of dyno sheet when I can resize photo.
Great to hear that your bike mod has been completed.  Do let us know about the top-end noise - same or worse?  And how do you like it?  Any better than Indian Stage 2 Cams? Cheers!
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Roady
V-Twin wrote:
Great to hear that your bike mod has been completed.  Do let us know about the top-end noise - same or worse?  And how do you like it?  Any better than Indian Stage 2 Cams? Cheers!
  top end noise a fair bit quieter- a big thumbs up on the 558s - no comparision on the stage 2s.  
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V-Twin
Roady wrote:
  top end noise a fair bit quieter- a big thumbs up on the 558s - no comparison on the stage 2s.  
😳 QUIETER!!!!  I would have thought the same or louder but quieter???  I wonder if your bike was 'clacking' due to pinging and having your bike dyno-ed properly fixed that? 

I have heard of some people getting PVCX and their clacking' got quieter.  

Only my speculation.


Are you enjoying the NEW bike??? 
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Melbourne, Victoria
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Roady
far from new, as far as clacking goes I reckon the noise is due to uneven tappet spring pressure. and it pulls like a team of 96 horses. 
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V-Twin
Roady wrote:
pulls like a team of 96 horses. 
Sounds like you are enjoying yourself.  Great to hear mate!!
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Melbourne, Victoria
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1854cc
It would appear that the 558 makes more power and torque then the Indian Stage 2 cam.
My dealer tells me that they can do the Indian Stage 2 fully fitted for something like $1250 or thereabouts.
Do we have any figures for the 558 fully fitted ?
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V-Twin
1854cc wrote:
Do we have any figures for the 558 fully fitted ?
I know All American fit a set to our member. Maybe Rick can chip in and let us know.

Only downside of going ‘aftermarket’ is that you will need a tuner like PVCX or PCV and that would add cost BUT I believe you make more power.  So, if you already have one of the these tuners, maybe no extra cost, aside from custom dyno tuning?
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Melbourne, Victoria
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1854cc
Your right about the extra custom tune.  Just checked yesterday with Fm and Jamie tells me that they still don't have a tune for the 558.  There was some chatter about Lloydz having sent a set of cams month ago to DJ and FM to do just that.  Since they still don't have a tune maybe that story was wrong.
Either way, your right I would need a custom tune and that would ad some cost ?
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Kappy
AAMC wrote:
Hi Kappy,
Yes, we can and many brands have a "flash counter" built in. In this day of re-flashing through OBD ports its the safe way for them to tell if the tune has been modified, or not. 
The Bosch EFI system in the Indians are very smart. We can tell how you ride, how fast, what RPM, even if your FOB battery is getting low. 
To clarify, with most manufacturers any failure would need to be directly linked / related to the tune to not be covered by warranty. 
It's not scare tactics really and I've rarely seen that used to avoid a genuine warranty issue. Other things like service history etc can also have an impact on any claim. 
Thanks Rick missed your post, I had a service the other day and the service manager told me I have hit about 4800 rpm once for about 1 second and 80% of my riding is 2800-3000 rpm max.
Kappy

Growing Older is inevitable, Growing up is Optional.

BK AUS 1 68223
IMRG AU 101125

Current ride/s
2017 Indian Roadmaster-Willow Green/Ivory--Wicked Willow
Stage 3 BB 116
Freedom Racing slip on and Indian Fishtails.
Lots of Leather.
2000 ST1100 - AnaSTasia
Past rides irrelevant. except Suzuki RG500
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