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Dr.Shifty wrote:


AAMC decatted, installed 558 cams, and dyno tuned my bike when I was down there with some of the forum members here recently. The exhaust note changed tone and the volume is higher, but there is no sudden clacking.


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Kappy
Hey V twin , have you got your bike back.

Keen to hear your thoughts on the upgrade.
Kappy

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Current ride/s
2017 Indian Roadmaster-Willow Green/Ivory--Wicked Willow
Stage 3 BB 116
Freedom Racing slip on and Indian Fishtails.
Lots of Leather.
2000 ST1100 - AnaSTasia
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V-Twin
Kappy wrote:
Hey V twin , have you got your bike back.  Keen to hear your thoughts on the upgrade.
Here you go!!  I will add more thoughts as I go along. But for now... 

http://www.indianmotorcycleforum.com.au/post/my-indian-thunder-stroke-116ci-stage-3-big-bore-kit-review-and-assembly-photos-9993151
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WhiteSmoke
Ian Petrie wrote:
I had the 558 cams in first then the exhaust valve spring in the back cylinder snaped so I decided to go for the 116 
V-Twin wrote:
😳 oh sugar!!  So your stock valve spring snapped running the Lloydz 558 cams?  🙉😬  This is a significant news to anyone who already have, or thinking about fitting the 558 cams.  Thanks for sharing mate.
Hmmm? Hopefully just a random bad spring. Plenty of people running 558’s and 585’s for that matter on stock springs without widespread issues.

Anybody know the specs on the 558 / 585?
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V-Twin
WhiteSmoke wrote:
Hopefully just a random bad spring. Plenty of people running 558’s and 585’s for that matter on stock springs without widespread issues.
It may indeed be the case, but I am less optimistic.  Looking at the dyno graph comparing the cams above, we can deduce that Indian Stage 2 Cams have the least amount of lobe lift.  Meaning, the valves don’t rise as much and therefore the valve springs are not under too much stress.

In another thread, folks running the Indian Stage 3 Big Bore kit (with a custom PVCX tune) got a power increase by fitting the Lloydz 558 cams (with a custom PVCX tune) on their 116ci.  I take that to mean the cam profile on the 558 is more aggressive than the Stage 3 Cams - be it higher lobe lift or more aggressive ramp (how quickly the valves open) or both.  Yet Indian decided to include heavy duty valve springs with their S3 116ci kit.  Obviously, this is out of precaution.  But how close did the S3 cams push the limits of standard valve springs?  If 100% is a definite broken spring, did it get to 80%?  If so, could Lloydz 558 cams push that to 90%?  Getting close to the limit but not breaking in masses.

As for Lloydz 585 cams, you can hear how super aggressive they are by standing next to one when idling.  The top end noise increases immediately - definitely not pleasant.  That noise comes from super aggressive lobe ramp and lift.  Will it push the standard springs to 95% limit?

Now add the defective springs to the mix.  Maybe they were not harden properly or there is other imperfection introduced during the manufacturing process.  Let’s say these sub-standard springs are 10% weaker than the majority of factory springs.  It is entirely feasible considering how some engines had loose manufacturing tolerances and clacked, while others were quiet.  It seems which valve spring we get is luck of the draw.  But in this case, Polaris allowed a margin of error for sub-standard springs.  As such, they would not have broken with Indian cams.  But any brand of more aggressive cams may push that limit.  Just a theory but I would be a little nervous if I was fitting the Lloydz cams with the OEM valve springs. 🤔
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Washbrook
V-Twin wrote:
As for Lloydz 585 cams, you can hear how super aggressive they are by standing next to one when idling.  The top end noise increases immediately - definitely not pleasant.


VT, As you may have read, I run the 585 in my RM, I have to disagree with your above comment. Yes they are aggressive when you twist the right hand but other than a nice rumble I find nothing unpleasant about them.
Norman Hall [aka Washbrook]
Man of Few Words
2017 Indian Roadmaster [Willow Green over Ivory Cream]
1999 Vulcan Drifter
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V-Twin
Washbrook wrote:
I run the 585 in my RM, I have to disagree with your above comment. Yes they are aggressive when you twist the right hand but other than a nice rumble I find nothing unpleasant about them.
No disrespect intended to your chosen cams.  I think the unpleasant top-end rattle (valves) sound may impact different people differently.  It will drive me nuts now that I have heard two in person, just idling and giving it a little blips.  But that may not bother you.  If anyone rides with earplugs, it may not bother them too.  

Noise aside, you know you got the biggest-dickus!!  😄
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Washbrook
VT, Since we did not catch up due to the recently cancelled Phillip[ Island trip, happy to meet up sometime and check out [listen] to each others bikes. Even after work one evening. BTW I am over near Chadstone. 
Norman Hall [aka Washbrook]
Man of Few Words
2017 Indian Roadmaster [Willow Green over Ivory Cream]
1999 Vulcan Drifter
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Peter69
1854cc wrote:
Great Info guys, love it.
How much would it be to get the 558 S2 upgrade ?  I have Stage 1 with PVCX tune at the moment ?
Misses gave me a straight "F*CK OFF" when I mentioned the S3 kit so might have to go for the next best thing 😉
Thanks


From what I heard from the dealer it is 3 hours labor to install the cams. Lloyds 558 cams $625 plus $98 per hour labor my dealer = $819
2016 Indian Chieftain 
Vance & Hines Turn Downs
Plenum Venom Intake
60 mm Throttle Body
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V-Twin
Peter69 wrote:
From what I heard from the dealer it is 3 hours labor to install the cams. Lloyds 558 cams $625 plus $98 per hour labor my dealer = $819
Hey Peter,

You would need to speak with a dealer near you.  Everything cost more in Australia (especially now with $0.67 exchange rate).  One thing your pricing does not appear to include is a custom tune.  Lloydz cams don't ship with a tune.  So finding a quality dyno tuner in your area would be required.  Plus Dynojet Power Vision 3 USD$399 (or the older Power Vision CX, if you already own one).
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Badassroadmaster
I got from Lloyd’s the 121 kit, completely badass ,  much better than the 116 ever was .
its decently a better ride and can take most bikes on the highway !!
enjoy 😊
Mr.  C.
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V-Twin
I got from Lloyd’s the 121 kit, completely badass ,  much better than the 116 ever was .
Great to hear BARoadmaster.  If you have ridden the 116ci.  I would like to read about your impressions.  Would you care to share with us some specifics of what you liked 121 over the 116?  It would help out other members considering the mod.
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Badassroadmaster
yes i did have the 116 installed just wasn't enough for me I wanted more... what can I say I;ve got the need for speed and the comfort !! 
What would you like to know ?? 
Mr.  C.
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Peter69
V-Twin wrote:
Hey Peter,

You would need to speak with a dealer near you.  Everything cost more in Australia (especially now with $0.67 exchange rate).  One thing your pricing does not appear to include is a custom tune.  Lloydz cams don't ship with a tune.  So finding a quality dyno tuner in your area would be required.  Plus Dynojet Power Vision 3 USD$399 (or the older Power Vision CX, if you already own one).

I have a Power Vision CX, Fuel Moto has a 558 cam tune profile available for free it you purchase the Power Vision from them.
2016 Indian Chieftain 
Vance & Hines Turn Downs
Plenum Venom Intake
60 mm Throttle Body
Power Vision CX with Fuel Moto Map
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V-Twin
Peter69 wrote:
I have a Power Vision CX, Fuel Moto has a 558 cam tune profile available for free it you purchase the Power Vision from them.
Hey, that's good to know.  That might increase the uptake of Lloydz cams.  Thanks for sharing.
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V-Twin
yes i did have the 116 installed just wasn't enough for me I wanted more... what can I say I;ve got the need for speed and the comfort !! 
What would you like to know ?? 
Wow! 😳  You already had 116ci and you went with 121???

General ride review would be helpful to others, I would imagine.  What were the 3 things you noticed about 121 over 116?  Did you lose or gained low down torque when taking off from the set of lights from say 1,500rpm?  How is the rideability every day around town, not just out  on the highway?  Smooth throughout the rev range or is there a flat spot?  Did you get your 121 custom tuned or use Lloydz supplied tune?  Noticed any changes between the 116 and 121 on fuel economy?  Not so important around town but does it get you similar mileage out of a full tank or less?  Any engine noise differences (ie. top end valves or piston slapping) between the 116 and 121? Anything you don't like about 121?  Anything else you noticed?  Anything you can share with us would be appreciated.

Just for your interest, this is my review of 116 - install first and then ride impressions.
https://www.indianmotorcycleforum.com.au/post/my-indian-thunder-stroke-116ci-stage-3-big-bore-kit-review-and-assembly-photos-9993151
Let's be kind to one another.
Melbourne, Victoria
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Badassroadmaster
That is correct I had the 116 than had it removed ( boxed up In my basement ) and had the 121 kit installed 147 ft pounds of torque
128 horse power , as far as the ride .... love it , sounds great , little differnt tho The lifters and valves open and close so quick because of the cams it gives a different sound but I do have some nice exhaust pipes on it , The people that I ride with all have Harley Davidson‘s and not one of them can keep up with me , that’s what I love the most !! 👍🏾 highly recommended

The gas mileage did decrease a little bit as far as around town it’s great, yes the valves slap a little bit but it’s fully expected the way that the cams and the Pistons are in their way they work when they open and close so fast

All in all the performance is much better than the 116 whether I am on the highway or around town I’ve had no trouble with it at all and yes it was professionally tuned by Lloyd’s with a power commander installed also
Mr.  C.
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V-Twin
That is correct I had the 116 than had it removed ( boxed up In my basement ) and had the 121 kit installed 147 ft pounds of torque
128 horse power , as far as the ride .... love it , sounds great , little differnt tho The lifters and valves open and close so quick because of the cams it gives a different sound but I do have some nice exhaust pipes on it , The people that I ride with all have Harley Davidson‘s and not one of them can keep up with me , that’s what I love the most !! 👍🏾 highly recommended

The gas mileage did decrease a little bit as far as around town it’s great, yes the valves slap a little bit but it’s fully expected the way that the cams and the Pistons are in their way they work when they open and close so fast

All in all the performance is much better than the 116 whether I am on the highway or around town I’ve had no trouble with it at all and yes it was professionally tuned by Lloyd’s with a power commander installed also
Thanks for sharing your experience with Llyodz 121ci Big Bore kit.  Sounds like it goes like a monster.  Enjoy!!
Let's be kind to one another.
Melbourne, Victoria
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Washbrook
I got from Lloyd’s the 121 kit, completely badass ,  much better than the 116 ever was .
its decently a better ride and can take most bikes on the highway !!
enjoy 😊


Good to see another 121 kit owner out there. I like mine too!
Norman Hall [aka Washbrook]
Man of Few Words
2017 Indian Roadmaster [Willow Green over Ivory Cream]
1999 Vulcan Drifter
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Biggles
I have the PVCX and purchased the fuel moto advanced remote tuning option to have my bike fine tuned. It runs a lot better, cooler, smoother and with more torque and power. Very happy with the end result.
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Peter69
V-Twin wrote:
Hey Peter,

You would need to speak with a dealer near you.  Everything cost more in Australia (especially now with $0.67 exchange rate).  One thing your pricing does not appear to include is a custom tune.  Lloydz cams don't ship with a tune.  So finding a quality dyno tuner in your area would be required.  Plus Dynojet Power Vision 3 USD$399 (or the older Power Vision CX, if you already own one).


I already have a Power vision CX, Fuel Moto has many maps available for free, if you purchased the Power Vision from them, that is why I didn't include the map price with this install.
2016 Indian Chieftain 
Vance & Hines Turn Downs
Plenum Venom Intake
60 mm Throttle Body
Power Vision CX with Fuel Moto Map
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