V-Twin
Another common known issue with easy fix.

If your Indian Motorcycle with key fob is having trouble starting OR starts and your horn goes off, chances are your bike is having trouble recognising or maintaining a connection with your key fob.  Here is a list of steps you could try to resolve this issue.

1. Replace the key fob battery (CR2032 Button Cell).  Even if your bike is new.  Remember, your bike could have been sitting in the warehouse for 6 months or more.  These batteries are available for about $1 from Radio Parts and other Electronic stores.  If the battery is replaced and you are still experiencing issues, try the next step.

2. Ask your Dealer to Reprogram Your Fob for you.  If you buy a new key fob, your fob has a unique serial number.  The dealer tech will connect a laptop to your bike and program that serial number into your bikes ECM.  As for your issues... your bike may forget your original key fob serial number.  The tech has to erase and re-enter your fob's serial number again and sometimes, it is known to fix the issue.  If still not fixed, try the next step.

3. Your Dealer Should Replace Your Key Fob Under Warranty.  The fob may not be sending signal consistently or intermittently failing so, this is the logical next step.  When your new fob arrives, it will be programmed for your bike.  If still not fixed, try the next step.

4. Your Dealer Should Replace Your ECM Under Warranty.  This is a big ticket item so some owners had to really push to get this done.  A replacement Indian ECM are priced at about $1,500+ so Indian does not like to do this very often.  That should fix it.  I have not come across anyone who still had issues after these 4 steps.

Update: 22 December 2016
Our own Mr Crash has had all of the above done and still experiencing intermittent issues.  

Update: 12 February 2017
5. Wiring Harness May Need Replacing.  JugHeadJoe from New Orleans have had this alarm issues for 6 months on his Springfield.  After performing everything mentioned above, the entire wiring harness was replaced (major undertaking) by the Indian of New Orleans and his alarm issues went away.  It is the first time a faulty wiring harness was identified as the cause of alarm issue.


Tip: Do not keep your key fob too close to the bike overnight or when you are not riding the bike.  It is said that ECM and fob talks to one another and drain the battery within a short period of time (a few months).  Keep your fob about 4 or 5m away and all should be good.

Another Tip: One person I know experienced a 'honking horn' issue when they start the bike and walk away from the bike (even just to the back of the bike to put something into their trunk) for a moment and then come back and ride away.  The act of key fob going out of range between starting and taking off seems to have caused the honking.

Please note, when the bike is started with a fob, it seems to does another check when you put the bike into 1st gear for the first time.  You will notice red light flash once on the On/Off button.  If the fob is out of range, horn will go off.  This is to ensure the rider does NOT accidentally take off leaving the fob at home.

One More Tip: If you don't already know, make sure you can start your bike using your PIN (using the turning signal switch).  It might save you getting stuck somewhere.
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Melbourne, Victoria
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V-Twin
Update added today to the original post.  Crash, this may interest you.
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crash
I had mine in the other day for this issue. 

They have improved the behaviour out of sight (is it fixed - no).
Apparently there are entries in the ECU for multiple fobs.
What they have done is programmed each of the entries with my fob number.

They had replaced my fob earlier in the piece and that number was in the ECU.  what this seemed to imply is that the system identified the fob to start the bike, but when I kicked it into gear it was (for some reason) expecting the other fob - of course it could not recognise it so did not deactivate the alarm.

Something else to also consider with the fobs is to make sure that there are no other transmitting devices between the fob and the bike (such as mobile phone, garage door openers etc).  This also seemed to have an impact on the behaviour.
Ulysses #30673
IMRG #AU100394
Current: RoadMaster (ebony and ivory)
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V-Twin
crash wrote:
Something else to also consider with the fobs is to make sure that there are no other transmitting devices between the fob and the bike (such as mobile phone, garage door openers etc).  This also seemed to have an impact on the behaviour.
I have my mobile in my pants pocket, Indian fob and garage remote in the same jacket pocket.  It has NEVER, not once honked.  My old bike (2015 Vintage), honked once and I replaced the fob battery, never honked since.

I guess the big question is, has your recent trip to the dealer fix the honking issue now?

I spoke with JugHeadJoe and he had his fob replaced 7 (SEVEN) times! and VCM twice!!  In the end, wiring harness was only thing left to replace... no more honking.  I recall you mentioned that your bike will be out of warranty in a few months... I thought I will mention this so IF your bike still honks, you might be able to get in touch with a dealer with a possible fix.
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faceonahead
V-Twin wrote:
  I recall you mentioned that your bike will be out of warranty in a few months... I thought I will mention this so IF your bike still honks, you might be able to get in touch with a dealer with a possible fix.
if you have raised an issue and it has not been resolved and youc an prove you raised it prior to warranty expiration the dealer must still make good.  Whenever I buy a new bike or car, 3 months prior to warranty expiration I go to town on everything from faded plastics to worn seats/grips etc  If you dont ask you dont get, so expect some things to be rejected, or prepare to let one or two things go to get the real issues fixed,  and regardless of how long it takes to resolve it was flagged within warranty so it must be resolved
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faceonahead wrote:
if you have raised an issue and it has not been resolved and youc an prove you raised it prior to warranty expiration the dealer must still make good.  Whenever I buy a new bike or car, 3 months prior to warranty expiration I go to town on everything from faded plastics to worn seats/grips etc  If you dont ask you dont get, so expect some things to be rejected, or prepare to let one or two things go to get the real issues fixed,  and regardless of how long it takes to resolve it was flagged within warranty so it must be resolved


further to this, Section 54 of The Australian Consumer Law, gives us even greater power from January 2011. See this article.
Cheers,
Tony
St. Kilda  Victoria
IMRG: 20380071
Current Ride: 2020 Dark Horse Challenger 
Previous Ride: 2015 Roadmaster
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faceonahead
BigTone wrote:


further to this, Section 54 of The Australian Consumer Law, gives us even greater power from January this year. See this article.
yes I love this, I have had success in claims under consumer Law in the past over motorcycle purchases and warranty issues and this made it even better for us, absolutely agree
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V-Twin
faceonahead wrote:
regardless of how long it takes to resolve it was flagged within warranty so it must be resolved
I reported that my bike clacked!  Will it be fixed?   😳😬😜😂
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V-Twin
BigTone wrote:
Section 54 of The Australian Consumer Law, gives us even greater power from January this year.
This section of the law requires that goods be fit for the purposes they are commonly used for, acceptable in appearance and finish, free from defects, safe and durable, all according to the standards of a "reasonable consumer".

Hmmm... "free from defects"... "according to the standards of a 'reasonable consumer'".  And in the above linked article, it says 'price is a factor' and more premium priced products will be held to higher standards.  On face value, it looks like a great clause for consumers.  Maybe, a new Indian owner from 1 January 2017 can demand their clacking fixed!  😳😬😂     Joking aside, this is good for us!  Let's see how it operates in the real world.
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faceonahead
Dont be too relaxed, I had to shell out for an independant mechanics assessment before NCAT in NSW ruled in my favour on those clauses when I took a manufacturer to court (not polaris or HD).  That said I got the lions share of money back with a small margin sliced off teh RRP due to use I had during teh 12 months prior to settlement, but yes geared in our favour well and truly
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faceonahead
PS a lot of those clauses were already in play, its just most consumers dont feel comfortable going to civil tribunal be in NCAT or whatever it is called in your state as they tend to be lawyerless so you must self represent

Happy to help if anyone needs it, been through the loop a few times, re caliming on clacking, you have to determine it is a mechanical fault first
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V-Twin
faceonahead wrote:
re caliming on clacking, you have to determine it is a mechanical fault first
Thanks for your kind offer to assist me Face.  I was just having a dig at Indian for not fixing this issue after 4 years.  I suspect Polaris doesn't know how to fix it without redesigning components?   

In any case, if someone has a real loud clacker, they may wish to pursue this course and to those people, I say the following.

I have ridden over a dozen TS111 bikes.  Some clack and some don't.  If they all clacked, that's one thing but when only 'some' clacks (my statistical sample is too small to make an accurate call but maybe about 1/3rd clacked), that doesn't seem 'normal'?

I have also heard a clacker that was SO LOUD, it sounded like a shaken can of spray with marble inside!  I believe that bike was disassembled and work carried out but I never found out if it was fixed.

The challenge is, most clacking TS111 only clacks when ridden, rarely, if ever, can you make the bike clack standing still.

Also, if you put a non-Indian rider on the bike and ask them to listen out for clacking, they have no idea what they are listening for.  It would help to have a clear recording of clacking in action.  It is difficult to verbally explain the difference between 'normal' or 'common to all TS111' engine noise and the 'uncommon' clacking.
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