Breto
So we went to Indian in Brisbane and I bought my wife a 2019 Bobber Scout with some cool add ons and she loves it...while we were there we got an invite to the official Launch of the FTR range at Indian...mean time we went to the States and Ireland and back to the states and then back to the shores of Aus...the night we landed was the launch and we made a bee line for Indian Bris...the model I had actually been taken with was the base model in black but on closer inspection I kinda put myself of it...as I made my way up the range I was a little more taken with them but when they unveiled the FTR1200RR I went numb...very cool looking bike I thought and I did everything in my power not to put a deposit on one there and then...in fact I bought a shirt instead...fast forward 6 months or more and it was still in the back of my mind...at this stage I hadn’t done any research into the model, hadn’t talked to anyone that owned one and didn’t even know there was a forum to go to for advice or reviews...so, after some negotiating with the sales man who buy the way was a really nice guy, I closed the deal on the RR with a carbon fibre rear duck tail and a T shirt and went to pick up the bike...you with me so far? Don’t want to put you to sleep but this is quite a long story...so I get there, we do all the paper work and I go out to jump on my new bike...went through some of the standard controls, some features of the ride management system, the dash, all that stuff...yeah yeah I just want to ride it...start the thing up and it stalls...did this 4 times...started thinking mmmm ok, what’s the story here?…apparently they all do that, cold blooded was how it was described...mmmm...so I ride home along the freeway, experiencing twitchy throttle response, hunting, decel popping, a loud knocking while shifting down from 4th through the box all the way to first ( no knock with clutch in by the way ) and occasional cut outs for no reason...ah it’s a new bike, it’ll sort itself out soon..well to cut a long story a bit shorter it didn’t. In fact it got to a point where the bike was dangerous...it would cut out while crossing intersections, while cranked into a down hill looking for the next gear down to set up for a fast corner, just cut out for no reason, cut out after a throttle blip...having the slipper clutch makes it impossible to bump start so your grabbing for the clutch and hitting the start button mid corner...not good at all...so I got onto the OS forum and man was my eyes opened to the amazing set of problems that people where having with this bike...identical to me. I kinda breathed a sigh of relief but at the same time was angry with myself for buying a bike in this standard state..I’ve never in my 54 years of riding ever had a bike this bad mannered. Basically at that early stage I hated it...it’s a nice bike with great ergos but things weren’t rite. The heat coming off the cat box was unbearable. It pretty well burnt the backs of my legs through jeans...the fuel economy, though the bike was new, was rubbish...was lucky to get 170 k out of the tank. That’s was a mix of the tune and the fact that there is quite a process to get a full tank of fuel into it but that’s for another thread...anyhoo, I rang Indian to express my concerns and they said it’s new, give it a chance to bed in and we’ll look at stuff at your first service...rite...so first thing to go was that ugly possum scraper...enter the Naked Rider tail tidy, much sexier...then the cat box, enter the Naked Rider Cat delete pipe...yep, things started to look up a little more...still stalling and cutting out but...the tyres had to go...initially I thought they weren’t too bad, but slow in the steering and handling department, wandery and crap in the wet...enter the Continental Road Attack 3...chalk and cheese, very shore footed 33843203-7F16-4D42-9CD7-631BC23B37B0.jpeg  959C90A2-06C3-4258-AC1C-A8BFA2C403D7.jpeg  out of the box, no mould release compound so no scrubbing in...stick like poo to a blanket...changes the steering and the bike becomes super light and very nimble...then my PV3 turned up from Fuel Moto and my god ( play angel music)...the tunes that craig sent me totally transformed the bike from one I was about to dump on Indians door and demand my money back to an ear to ear grinner with super smooth behaviour and a devils pitch fork kick in the pants under power...totally different bike...I’ve run both tunes now and the second is perfect...tune one was so much better than the standard tune the bike came with...no stalling, no hunting at constant throttle no knocking just great, but two is icing on that cake...by the way at first service, before I did the tune thing, I was told that they couldn’t hear a knock and that my bike was quieter than most..😂😂...yeah ok...so a few nice bits a pieces later and a few suspension adjustments to the pogo stick set up and I’ve fallen in love all over again...yep I do name my bikes and Larry was homage to Indian Larry of custom fame...anyway I hope I haven’t put you to sleep or made you drunk...that story was at least a six pack...🍺🍺 so a few picks so you get the idea then...
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Jollster
I love stories with a happy ending
2017 Thunder Black Scout.
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Breto
 I’m so glad man...that was a mission...👍😎🇦🇺
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BigTone
Great story Breto. Pretty poor that Indian would release a bike that rode this way. Well done to persevere.
Cheers,
Tony
St. Kilda  Victoria
IMRG: 20380071
Current Ride: 2020 Dark Horse Challenger 
Previous Ride: 2015 Roadmaster
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Breto
BigTone wrote:
Great story Breto. Pretty poor that Indian would release a bike that rode this way. Well done to persevere.

Tony in all honesty mate, it was touch and go...if I hadn’t spent the time and money to sort the thing I would have sent it back...it’s like Microsoft releasing a program with known bugs but they offer patches and bug fixes. Indian just don’t want to know about the FTR problems, they come up with whatever excuse they can find usually they all do that! And the fix for the standard tune they released in the states is worse than the first tune. All I can say is if you do persevere and do your own fixes then do not let Indian come anywhere near your ECU. 
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Memphis1

Breto 

Can you send me all the relevant info on the PV3 and ECU updates. Would be greatly appreciated.


Cheers

IMRG AU102333
FTR 1200S Race Replica 
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Breto
Yep, so the company I went with is called Fuel Moto. They are in the states and the tuner that looked after me is Craig. Really knows his 💩 man...so basically go to the FuelMoto web site and order the PV3. I got the K&N air filter at the same time...our dollar is also a bit better now as well...so there is a couple of questions regarding the issues you are experiencing and what mods if any you have on the bike ( so you have high pipes, with or without a cat delete?, baffles in baffles out that kinda thing) Then when your PV3 turns up, you connect it to your diagnostic plug which is easily accessible up under your right side cover (no need to pull the cover, the plug clips into the bottom of the ECU) and via the instructions which are easy as, you let the PV3 read your files. Once it’s done you unplug it and then use the USB cable provided with the unit to connect to your PC ( not a Mac, I had to use my laptop) and you download the files to your PC. From there you select two particular files and send them to Fuel Moto via a page expressly set up for providing these files...Craig or one of the other top notch tuners over there check what’s in them, tweek this and change that and they will send you back 2 tunes within usually 24 hours...I got mine pretty well hours later...once they are back via email you can plug your PV3 back into the PC and copy the tune files across to it...from there you plug it back into the diagnostic port and upload the first tune...follow the simple instructions man and you can’t go wrong...run your new tune for 500 or more k’s, see what you think and then load the second tune into it...the second tune will replace the first...you can always go back to tune 1 at any time...if you have any dramas at all, craig and the team are only an email away...he can fine tune stuff for you if you require and I think they have a life long sort of set up for further tunes and tweeks...honestly mate it’s the best thing I ever did to this bike, saved me from burning it or retuning it I’ll tell ya...hope this helps Memphis...the PV3 and the tunes within sent from Fuelmoto is only relative to your bike and cannot be shared with another FTR owner...it’s simple, straight forward and craig and the boys there are awesome mate...
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Breto
https://www.fuelmotousa.com/i-23897905-dynojet-pv3-indian-ftr-1200-pv3-29-04-power-vision-3.html
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I'm glad you got it sorted, Breto. I remember reading the complaints about the rough running of the FTR on the international forum. I had a 2016 Scout and they sometimes had some fuelling problems that led to surging when slowing down, a real safety danger when coming to an intersection.. The FTR sounded like a few steps up the fault ladder from the Scout. It's a great looking bike and if I was still the young bloke I once was, the FTR might be on my wish list.

There's a lot of us with PVCX/PV3 tuners and a good tune really sorts the bike. I put one on the Scout and when I sold that and got a Springfield it was the first thing I did to the bike. Running it through the logging/flashing process makes the motor run really smoothly.

And +1 for the Conti Road Attack 3s. I've had them on my Kawasaki for a few years. The first time I rode them out of the tyre shop and swooped around a bend in the street I could tell they were something special. It's like my brain is glued to the road with those tyres.

We've got a few of us turning up at Byron Bay in October, and at least one couple coming down from Qld to meet up. Are you able to make it? It would be good to have new faces - and the FTR and Bobber among the big tourers.
Cheers, Kim.

From Woodrising (no, nobody else has heard of it either)
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Breto
Yeah I’m very impressed with the RA3’s man...just total confident tyre...agree with the brain glued to the road and they make the bike so light and nimble. Big change from the DT3. Yeah Byron would be cool...few fuel stops for the FTR on the way down but doable man...would be good to wifey out on the bobber, it needs a decent run...
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JuanPoop
Good story mate, so pleased that you stuck with it, even if you (and most of us) felt that it shouldn't have been that hard.

I also have a PVCX (now PV3) on my SF (from Fuel Moto) and I think I have about 6 different tunes stored away that Craig has provided over time.  The one I have loaded at the moment is working quite well, although I probably need to log a few rides and get some further refinements done.  All in good time . . .

You two certainly have a great pair of bikes - must be loads of fun to ride together.

aka - John
2017 Springfield - grey / burgundy
Northern Beaches - Sydney
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Hey John, yeah man we like getting out together...the wife’s a bit of a toodler, just cruises and is still coming to grips with the semi forward controls but loves her Scout Bobber...it is fun riding together, I just need to go for a quick run after to blow out the cob webs...😂
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Good one.  My lady has been on the back of my SF twice and zero times on the Triumph America that I had before this bike. Both of those rides were to go to a cafe lunch in a national park up our way.

That was a significant step forward, as she flatly refused to get on board for a long time. Looks like I better book more lunches to get her used to being on it.

I don’t think I can ever get her to the stage where we can do a weekend away though.

Oh well . . . there are upsides and downsides to most things.

However, I digress...

Back to the thread topic - I will assume you didn’t buy the FTR to focus on cruising, but do you know if there been any word of a larger fuel tank option.  I saw on the USA forums that some were hanging out for one - and you mention the many fuel stops needed to travel big kilometres.

aka - John
2017 Springfield - grey / burgundy
Northern Beaches - Sydney
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Breto
Yeah a thirteen litre tank is not optimal man...there is an art to filling it too because it’s under the seat and runs up behind the duck tail...so effectively you are pushing fuel not really filling...so the method I have found to get max k’s out of the tank is to trickle feed it and stand the bike up at the pump...if you pull the trigger too hard it will gush back at you...so with the way the bike was in its standard tune and ruff running the best I could get was around the 170 mark...no with the new tune 230 is about average. A larger tank would be awesome but not sure how you would fit it in. Not much room as it is and no didn’t buy it to cruise, the power this thing has everywhere is insane. 
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lobo
Hi Breto,
Had some for your issues with a scout 2015. The dealer could never get rid of surge in acceleration when slowing down even with power commander & sport air filter with stage 1 pipes 250km max, it was in the dealership more often than not, not to mention the rust on the chrome mirrors etc
Hope FTR1200 has know got cam bearings fitted as the scout engine does not, so if any oil contaminates get in your oil it will require new cams & new head as the head casting is the bearing so the engines are how can i say it throw away & replace at lest the top end @ over 5k a head in parts. Take me back to less complicated days where you could at lest check or change your spark plugs without have to disassemble the bike, nothing like technology for (scout) that couple of extra horse power that only go in a straight line.Scout more of a dream shattered than a dream catcher. 



 
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Yeah it’s a massive mission to change plugs on the FTR...one that frankly I’m not going to worry about until it’s out of warranty...considering that Indian in QLD is about to hand over to a third party for sales and service, I will be taking my bike to an ex Indian mechanic for its servicing now...until end of warranty then I’ll be doing all my own work. 
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