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Hi all

Sometime ago I mentioned I wanted to relocate the ignition barrel from the stock location on the side of the Scout engine to the handlebars just to the right of the speedo.  It has been some time but a friend has developed this little bracket and I hope to install it in the next few days.

I already have a new spare chrome thermostat cover as used on right side of the engine and will be installing that in place of the standard chrome ignition barrel cover as it only needs a little dremel work on the cover itself to make it fit.

Hope this looks good installed.
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adge82
Looks great, can't wait to see it installed. 
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Select Edge
adge82 wrote:
Looks great, can't wait to see it installed. 


Hi

I can't wait either, this is the prototype and we feel it might look a little cumbersome but won't know till it is installed and I will take photos to share.  If I have no issues with it and if it holds up well after 6 months or so we may actually make it about 1/3rd less in height and may even make the clamp a little thinner in profile that goes around the handlebars.

Due to my fat hands/fingers we also left a 10mm gap between the handlebar and ignition barrel so it is easy to insert the key and turn it to on/off etc.  After going through this exercise I might have to buy a 3D printer and have some fun but I just don't have the room for it!
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Mt Scout
Great work guys, looking forward to seeing the fitted and finished result, I think that a lot of Scout owners might be quite keen on one of these!

Cheers Phil 
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Select Edge
Hi all

Some photos of the prototype installed today:

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MickB
FS IMHO it’s a bit in your face , too obtrusive. 
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MickB wrote:
FS IMHO it’s a bit in your face , too obtrusive. 


Yes, agreed it is a bit in your face looking from the front of the bike, and does look larger than what we expected however from the riding position it seems to be ok. I will run with this one 6 months or so and if absolutely no dramas at all, I will get one made about 30% less in length and much thinner in profile making it much more smaller and attractive.

Also the photos show that it is basically hitting the speedo housing, in real life it has plenty of gap and has no opportunity at all of hitting the speedo housing.
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MickB
It'll cost but a far better alternative is Digital Guard Dawg - keyless.
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Select Edge
MickB wrote:
It'll cost but a far better alternative is Digital Guard Dawg - keyless.


I seriously looked into that product and nearly purchased it and believe me the cost is very low compared to the time spent developing the one off ignition barrel bracket, but I chose not to buy the Digital Guard Dawg at the very last moment because I worked out that I was still going to need to carry the bike key to open the fuel tank and use the steering lock and didn't see it as the best solution for my purpose as I would then be forced to carry the standard key and the FOB for the Digital Guard Dawg and its just another thing I might forget or leave somewhere.

I find when I have an ignition system that has a nice place to hold my key in the barrel while using the bike or car, I am not fumbling around looking for it and always seem to know where it is and where to remove it from (I am getting old!).

The final straw was also having to replace batteries every couple of years which is not an issue when only relying on the basic key.  Had the bike not needed a key to open the fuel tank or steering lock I may have re-considered the Digital Guard Dawg, so for me utilising the standard key is a far better alternative.
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Sean Judd

Out of curiousity what was wrong with the Indian design ignition? I quite like that, very unobtrusive.

I'm a bit with Mick B, if I was to change anything on the scout it would be to go keyless. Although a fob takes up more room than a key so I probably would just leave well alone anyway. 

Current 2018 Chieftain

Past 2016 Scout

Future I'm thinking old School 40s Chief. 

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MickB
I find the best thing about the keyless is the fob just sits in my pocket, the bike’s ignition starts when I shake the fob. 
I also swapped the keyhole cover for a thermostat cover, now no key hole on the left side of the bike. It’s funny watching blokes when they can’t find the key and asking, how do I start it. 
Regarding still needing a key for the tank, I’m happy to unlock the tank, the fob and the key are in my pocket, easy. I could swap to a keyless tank cap but I’d rather it was locked.
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Dr.Shifty
I like the idea of the key up near the speedo, and when I had a Scout I found it a nuisance having it below my left knee. I realise that's a traditional design element but I could never warm to it.

This design is a bit bulky and ungainly to my mind but as a first go at something it's fine. I'd look at a smaller barrel that sits down beside the speedo and is less obtrusive, not wrapped around the bars but located on the speedo mount bolts. That can be done with 3D printing and some thought, or make up a stainless steel bracket for it.
Cheers, Kim.

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crash
Not sure if this is dumb question but what is to stop someone from snipping the wires and hotwiring the bike - looks to me like they are in a much more accessible position.  Being down on the side of the motor was not anywhere near as accessible (IMHO)
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adge82
crash wrote:
Not sure if this is dumb question but what is to stop someone from snipping the wires and hotwiring the bike - looks to me like they are in a much more accessible position.  Being down on the side of the motor was not anywhere near as accessible (IMHO)


I guess in theory the steering lock should be on, so you could start and ride the bike, but only in circles.
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Select Edge
Hi, thanks all for your replies and feedback and I am taking it all on-board and I admit it will look a lot better in a lower profile style bracket.  I will use this one for a few months and in that time will look at some further design options but don't want to go back to my mate until I have worked out how I want it 100%, I will even draw the next prototype bracket and complete the design before contacting my mate who built this one for me. 

As stated by Dr.Shifty above maybe a bracket off the speedo mount bolt will look nicer?  To answer Crash's question above what is stopping someone from stripping the wires and starting it?, yes anybody could do this but they won't get far with the steering lock on which I always do as I keep the key with me when riding the bike.  What MickB stated above is also a good option which is get the wirless FOB kit and a keyless petrol tank cap but if I did that I know I would be slack and not bring the key and never use the steering lock again.
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crash
I guess I don't worry about the steering lock so much - 450KGS is not going anywhere in a hurry in my view - and if it does I suspect that a steering lock was not going to help anyway.
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Hunter
Steering locks are SO easy to break. You use the bars themselves as a leverage point and just twist. You can also sit on the seat and kick the left grip. As for hot wiring the bike, unfortunately the stock position isn't a whole lot safer than the one Fatscout designed because it takes three screws and about fifteen seconds to expose those same wires. I wouldn't worry too much about security, because if you do you'll realize bikes are a lot less secure than we would like. Most of that bike security stuff is only for peace of mind.
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crash
Hunter wrote:
Steering locks are SO easy to break. You use the bars themselves as a leverage point and just twist. You can also sit on the seat and kick the left grip. As for hot wiring the bike, unfortunately the stock position isn't a whole lot safer than the one Fatscout designed because it takes three screws and about fifteen seconds to expose those same wires. I wouldn't worry too much about security, because if you do you'll realize bikes are a lot less secure than we would like. Most of that bike security stuff is only for peace of mind.

Hunter, as usual, the voice of reason - thanks for the reality check.  If someone wants it bad enough, I guess they will just "take it".  Security, to some degree, only keeps honest people out.
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MickB
Use also a shoulderless Disc Lock, it'll make it necessary to have to lift the bike.

When I installed the Guard Dawg I cable tied the connectors and placed them up under the tank so it's a massive job to get to the wiring (virtually impossible to hot wire).

Indian have made it easy to hot wire as the key position behind the cover is very easy to access if you have a Phillips head and the correct Allen key.

I got rid of the original fasteners and have put new fasteners in place whereby you need a specific tool.
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Croc
Hm, Hunter seems to have a lot of knowledge on breaking steering locks & hotwiring...  ðŸ˜‰  Still, he is right as are a couple of others.  If some lowlife wants your bike, they will get it.  The trick is to make it too hard for them to have a go at.  Luckily, my new Rottie loves my bikes & usually sleeps in between them at all times.  (mind you, feed him a steak & he'd probably turn a blind eye!)
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Dr.Shifty
There are youtube vids showing security camera footage of people breaking steering locks by pushing with their feet, and cutting through heavy chains with cordless angle grinders. Brute force is easier than ever. There are also vids of people picking bikes up and putting them in a van, about ten seconds and it's gone. Perhaps there is protection in having an Indian and not a more saleable HD where the demand for parts is probably much higher.

It would not be too hard to protect the wiring of a bar mounted ignition switch with some flexible conduit, but it's more likely a thief will go for brute force over hot wiring a bike he's not familiar with.

I'm with the original goal here, which is to have an ignition switch in a position which works for that particular owner.
Cheers, Kim.

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Hunter
Croc wrote:
Hm, Hunter seems to have a lot of knowledge on breaking steering locks & hotwiring...  Ã°Å¸Ëœâ€°


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Croc
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Select Edge
Hi all, it has taken me some time but below is a picture of my ignition barrel relocated to the handlebars all completed.  It looks much better now that I have installed my genuine Indian mobile phone mount and Ends Cuoio large oval fork bag.  I am currently using a plug to easily disconnect the ignition barrel as I intend to remove it from this first prototype holder to test it with a future bracket that mounts onto the side of the speedo.
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