Paul Robert Judd
Hi folks,
My gauges were replaced under warranty due to water damage and replaced with a speedo gauge without any orange or green cruise control symbols now the icon is in the LCD display really Small icon next to the time?
The new speedo gauge symbols are for TPMI which I do not have on my bike as it has spoked rims, I have been advised by the dealer that this is the new replacement gauge, do you think they are feeding me BS as I am not happy having icons that are not relaxant to my bike as well as losing 27,000 kilometres off my old speedo, I would not like to rip someone off by not telling them the correct kilometres and also I am worried about resale value loss if any, what are your thoughts? Thanks in advance
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V-Twin
Hey Paul, welcome to the forum.

My 2015 Vintage was the same as your old speedo.  My 2016 Vintage is like your new speedo so what the dealer told you is correct.

Paul Robert Judd wrote:
I am not happy... losing 27,000 kilometres off my old speedo, I would not like to rip someone off by not telling them the correct kilometres...
But this part concerns me.  You are saying that your Indian authorised dealer fitted a replacement speedo and the odometer has been reset to zero?  I was under the impression this could not happen as the mileage is store on the onboard computer and it is transferred to the new speedo automatically?  Maybe it is a manual process and your dealer forgot to carry out that step?  In any case, it is not good that this can happen by swapping the speedo.  

I assume you have pointed this out to the dealer?  Did they say anything about it?
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Paul Robert Judd
Thanks for the welcome mate, I am in the process of emails going back and forth about this and other issues I have with the bike, the service manager made a statement---Did you buy this bike as a demo? do you know they have given us the same speedo as the Springfield? 
Surely they can't have deleted the 2015 speedo in 15 months can they?
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V-Twin
Paul Robert Judd wrote:
I am in the process of emails going back and forth about this and other issues I have with the bike
I feel for you.  Feel free to post up what's going on so other's can benefit from your experience.  We might even be able to assist you with our collective experience.

Paul Robert Judd wrote:
the service manager made a statement---Did you buy this bike as a demo?
 What's buying a 'demo' got to do with anything you mentioned?  Which state are you from?  

Paul Robert Judd wrote:
Surely they can't have deleted the 2015 speedo in 15 months can they?
Parts streamlining.  Since the same gauge came out in 2016 bikes, it is technically the replacement and therefore no need to keep the 'other' design gauge.  Funny you mentioned this because I noticed it as well when I picked up the new bike back in April 2016.
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Melbourne, Victoria
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Paul Robert Judd
I am in NSW mate, when he said did I buy a demo he was relating to the amount of issues I have had, I love the looks of the bike and how well a large cruiser handles but don't like the new gauge or the other issues, I just had a conversation with a guy at Polaris and he has said they will fix all the issues yippee
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Paul Robert Judd
Just one question mate does your bike have the cast wheels so you can have the TPM fitted as you can't have that system with spokes
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V-Twin
Paul Robert Judd wrote:
I just had a conversation with a guy at Polaris and he has said they will fix all the issues yippee
Glad to hear that!!  [thumb]  May I ask what the issues were?  It might help other members who might have similar issues.

Paul Robert Judd wrote:
does your bike have the cast wheels so you can have the TPM fitted
I wish... my bike is Vintage.  Wire wheels.  I have been thinking of ways to replace wheels with aftermarket wheels so that I can get rid of tubes (can't fix puncture on the side of the road) but they are not that many suppliers about.  I spotted beautiful set of wheels from Performance Machine and they want $5,500!!   [eek][bawl]
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Melbourne, Victoria
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Paul Robert Judd
Mate I have had quite of few issues and to be fair on Polaris I will wait until they fix the issues, it's not over until the fat lady sings however.

When they fix the problems I am more than happy to share the contact I have found and the way to go to get 100% help from them.
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CHF10
Resetting odometers to zero (illegal) and tubes in tyres? I've time warped back to the 1970s! lol
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V-Twin
Just wanted to add to this post after watching an interesting Youtuber video.  



I am surprised that after 5 years, anyone could buy a pre-loved Indian Motorcycle, buy a new speedo and presto, ‘low mileage’ Indian for sale.  I’m not saying people do this, it is that it could happen.

Take a Harley as an example, when you order a replacement speedo, the workshop must provide the mileage and it comes preloaded.  That’s how it was done a decade ago.  These days, when you unplug the old speedo and fit a new speedo on a Harley, the ECM automatically detects the new speedo and uploads the previously stored mileage.  Literally, plug and play.  I know our bikes use very sophisticated Bosch ECM so why not implement similar system?  I suspect Indian ordered the ‘dumb’ speedos to keep the manufacturing cost down (just a speculation).

I think once lost, the market reputation is hard to rebuild.  Does anyone else think replacing the speedo and losing the odometer is a receipe for a problem?
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Melbourne, Victoria
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Croc
I certainly reckon that having a speedo reset to zero IS a problem.  Reminds me of the stories of old days car dealers using electric drills to wind the car speedos backwards!  Who would believe what you say about the vehicle mileage if this is common??  (How many times do you hear of someone buying a "low mileage used by a little old lady on sundays  to go to church" type of vehicle & thinking how lucky they were?)  Recipe for disaster.
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DAVO
I  changed out my speedo and tachometer at the start of the year to the black faced kit on my 17 Roadmaster, yes it is a problem that the mileage is stored in the gauge on Indians, I lost nearly 7000 km on it but I took a  photo of the original km on the old gauge before removal, that photo is stored with the old gauge, so now my engine hrs on the ride command do not match the km’s showing my RM, I am about to swap out the speedo and fuel gauge on my 14 Chief Vintage to the black faced versions my Vintage has just turn over 47000 km’s but this time I am going to try and have the correct km’s added to the new speedo before I install via someone that repairs gauges.
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DAVO
I swapped out my speedo and fuel gauges on my 14 Chief Vintage today for the optional black faced version I took the new speedo to a instrument repairer last week to see if they could change the mileage, after much investigation they came to conclusion that the mileage cannot be changed, Indians are fitted with VDO speedos, Polaris do not supply the codes to VDO for the mileage to be changed on Indian speedos using their decoder so I have 48000km missing on the new speedo, I have taken a pic of the original mileage on the old speedo that will be stored with original speedo.
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V-Twin
DAVO wrote:
I swapped out my speedo and fuel gauges on my 14 Chief Vintage today for the optional black faced version
I would be interested in doing the same.  The OEM fuel gauge needle keeps on fading.  May I ask what they cost you?  Did you buy them in AU or from the States?
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Melbourne, Victoria
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DAVO
Hi V they are the optional gauges, I had the Sydney dealer get them in for me, took about 2 weeks, it cost me $300 for each gauge as I got a discount, I know the fuel gauge needle will fade again, the gauge repairer said he can easily pull the fuel gauge apart and repaint the needle so that is what I will be doing in the future.

Forgot to mention that the fitting instructions do not mention that you have to unclip the chrome ring around the old speedo and refit to the new speedo also the fuel gauge has a red backlit light while the  speedo iis back lit white, I find it easier to read while riding compared to the cream faced gauge.
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