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Robbo
I am looking forward to finding out.
2017 Dark Horse  - Stage 2, Rush Pipes

Location - Perth, Western Australia
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CHF10
V-Twin wrote:
I recently rode a 2017 Darkhorse with just the Stage 1 slip-ons and it was very impressive to ride.  Especially on the freeway, there wasn't a huge difference between my S2C + PCV Indian.  However, I could feel how choked up S1 Darkhorse was down lower, say upto about 2,500rpm.  I wouldn't be surprised if Indian stock and S1 tunes deliverately retard the engine.  I guess if anyone fitted PVCX to a stock bike and got a lot more out of the TS111, we know my assumption has merits.


Interesting. I haven't ridden a stock or S2C bike so I can't compare but I don't feel like S1 is "choked". I think it lumps along nicely and pulls when I want it to in almost any gear from down low. Like you, my main reason for wanting the S2C is the extra lump.
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Stephen Webb
Bit annoyed that I will have to install a power commander and have it tuned to get the Roadmaster running the way it should after installing S2C. Still little response when blipping it, now and then it will rev, otherwise it'll do nothing or give a loud bang out the exhaust.
Anyone know where I can get a power commander, fitted and dyne tuned cheap.  The best I got is around $2K complete.
Spider
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Sandstone Challenger Dark Horse
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Robbo
I am not sure that you need to have a Power Commander installed to make make the bike run properly with stage 2 cams. My bike is running well on a standard Indian tune. I am still in the engine run in period however so I have  not given the bike any curry to test it out as yet.
You should be able to get a PVCX landed at your door for around $600. That will allow you to flash custom tunes to the bike that fuelmoto have ready to go for a range of combos , all free. If there is a specific issue they will adjust parameters xspecifically to resolve it, also free.
I have one ready to go, but I am waiting until I am sure there are no issues with the engine before hooking it up. Apparently hooking it up is just plug and play.
2017 Dark Horse  - Stage 2, Rush Pipes

Location - Perth, Western Australia
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V-Twin
Stephen Webb wrote:
Bit annoyed that I will have to install a power commander and have it tuned...

...Anyone know where I can get a power commander, fitted and dyne tuned cheap.
Hey Stephen, I have Power Commander V (PCV) and custom dyno tune and it helped a lot with air cleaner popping when I blip the throttle BUT it still happens.  No matter how many times I take it back, there is only so much PCV can do.

If it was me, I will go with Power Vision CX instead of PCV.  I would also buy it from FuelMoto in USA.  Why?  They have their own dyno and they offer dozens of tunes with different mods.  So it may not be 100% tuned for your bike but they will sure to have a tune with S2C, AC, pipes, etc.,  And if in the future, you change something, they will likely to have another tune with your new mod.
Let's be kind to one another.
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Robbo
V-Twin wrote:
If it was me, I will go with Power Vision CX instead of PCV.  I would also buy it from FuelMoto in USA.  Why?  They have their own dyno and they offer dozens of tunes with different mods.  So it may not be 100% tuned for your bike but they will sure to have a tune with S2C, AC, pipes, etc.,  And if in the future, you change something, they will likely to have another tune with your new mod.


If you have a specific issue (eg popping on deceleration or back firing), you send a copy of tbe tune file to Fuelmoto and they will adjust certain parameters to fix the problem. They say there is no limit to the number of free tunes or tweaks you can have. All reports on yhe PVCX so far are extremely favourable. Not just for fixing issues but for improved performance and responsiveness of the bike.
2017 Dark Horse  - Stage 2, Rush Pipes

Location - Perth, Western Australia
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Stephen Webb
Checked out the FuelMoto site.  Looks the way to go, don't have to pull the bike apart to fit it. Thanks for you suggestions.
Spider
IMRG   AU100562
Ullyses 29992
Sandstone Challenger Dark Horse
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faceonahead
After my repairs from crash I don't have any b issues as previously described, I suspect it's the ECU was flash with latest update and fixed tune issues
2020 Challenger Dark Horse, stage 1 pipes and air and a stack of minor mostly cosmetic mods
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Robbo
Good news Face and good point!

I was going to suggest that if Spider's (I assume from his signature block that Spider is correct) bike was playing up that badly it might have been flashed with the wrong tune or there is an updated tune for the bike that would help.
2017 Dark Horse  - Stage 2, Rush Pipes

Location - Perth, Western Australia
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Matt01
Not wanting to steer away from original post.
But I recently had a 16000k service and its the best my bike has ran since the recall flash.
So maybe the 2017 flash will help you.
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Robbo
After a couple of hundred kms on the stage 2 Cams, I have heard the occasional exhaust pop. Not often enough to be a concern and it seems to be when i give it a bit and back off quickly. Not really anything more than I would expect from a hotted motor. Extra fuel in through the cams has to go somewhere when you back off after giving it a handful.
Of course this should not be a reason to accept exessive popping but on mine it is only occasional.
2017 Dark Horse  - Stage 2, Rush Pipes

Location - Perth, Western Australia
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